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Paul H
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Posted: 26 Dec 2016 at 10:49pm |
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Thanks Graham, I'll try that. At the risk of incurring one of those "trust your ears not a graph" responses, what are your thoughts on the analysis carried out at http://forums.stevehoffman.tv/threads/ortofon-2m-black-frequency-response-charts.312499/ which suggests that increasing capacitance won't make much difference to the Black?
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Paul H
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Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 1:38pm |
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Would anyone like to comment on the Audio Note IQ range? I have vague recollections that someone here has one (and is familiar with the Ortofon 2M Black)). I'd welcome thoughts.
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Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 2:36pm |
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That would be me Paul. I use an IQ cartridge with the IQ3, IQ2 & Goldring 1042 styli.
It's a very dynamic performer which suits my musical tastes - tight, deep bass, a well sorted midrange with extended, delicate treble. I have listened to Decca London cartridges and although the IQ3 doesn't pin you to your seat in the same way, it certainly shares some of the drama they are renowned for but without the pitfalls. It's less clinical than the 2M range and therefore listening has more emotional connection. Comparing the same LP with its CD counterpart via the Majestic DAC, the overall tonal balance is extremely close although it's certainly more lively in the way leading edges attack. It is as if you are sitting closer to every performance than with the 2M Black... itself by no means a slouch. Soundstaging is excellent, as is tracking and alignment seems less critical than the 2M Black (I initially set it up using the Feickert device rather than the ultra-fussy Mint protractor & it sounded spot-on right away so that's how I've left it). I would say surface noise is also a little less apparent. The IQ3 and 2 are extremely close sounding with the 2 slightly exaggerating scratchy (female) vocals, sibilance and things like violins on poorer recordings. The IQ3 handles treble better than any MM cartridge I have heard and has a great delicacy about it when paired with the Accession. Conversely, the 1042 Gyger stylus just sounds smooth and silky and I listen to that a lot when I'm in a mellow mood - not a huge difference to the IQs overall but with slower bass notes and more laid back treble. I use this combination a lot. I was lucky to obtain a supposedly damaged IQ2 for £50 and easily repaired the twisted cantilever but the price for new IQs is pretty high so you need to be absolutely sure one of these would suit you (start with an IQ1 & upgrade styli later?). It's a pity you live so far away from me although there is a very friendly guy on HiFi Wigwam called Steve (Rmsshipbroker) with an all AN system including the IQ3 which I have heard. He lives in Sheffield which isn't too far from you & I am sure he would let you listen if you asked. ...One other thing... the arm I use with this cartridge is the Audiomods model V - Jeff Spall admits to using the Goldring 1042 during its development so I may be benefiting from a high degree of synergy given that Goldring build the IQs under license & the bodies are externally similar. (edited to remove the ASCII characters) Edited by Drewan77 - 29 Dec 2016 at 2:50pm |
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Paul H
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Posted: 29 Dec 2016 at 6:46pm |
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Thanks Andrew, that's really useful to me. I'm tempted to take a punt on the IQ2. Currently, I'm using between that and a Nagaoka (probably the MP300). I had an MP10 a while ago on another table and I liked it - it had a very black sound and didn't sound strident the way the 2M Black does.
(Funnily enough, I had my iPod on this afternoon while decorating - connected to a Vita Audio
R2i DAB radio/iPod dock which has a lovely mellow sound - and one of my 'drops came on shuffle and my first thought was "God, that CD really is quite shrill" until I remembered I was listening to a needledrop :). ) |
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Posted: 30 Dec 2016 at 11:10am |
I think you need to proceed with caution Paul because my 2M Black was not shrill or harsh whereas I recall another forum member claiming that he heard an 'ear shredding' IQ3 demo at an audio show. On the other hand, all the Nagaokas' I have heard were similar to the way you describe and may suit you better. Turntable/arm/cartridge/system matching can be an act of faith and it's frequently frustrating.
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Paul H
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Posted: 30 Dec 2016 at 12:10pm |
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Thing is, I struggle badly finding the right words to describe sound and, perhaps, "shrill" wasn't the right word. What I'm hearing is this:
the mid range sounds, in comparison to a CD pressing of the same material, quieter, flatter. It sounds fine in itself until I compare, at which point, it just seems to lack presence. This would be fine and dandy except that the Black's accentuated highs seem to draw more attention. That is, I notice the highs more than I notice the mid range. If the Black had more muted highs, it would probably be fine. This is probably not a fault of the cart, it's just its sonic signature, and I'm too sensitive to highs. Maybe I should send you a needledrop so you can judge for yourself and see if you're hearing what I'm hearing. I appreciate your advice about proceeding with caution: I don't have any means of auditioning carts in any meaningful way so, as you say, it really is an expensive act of frustrating faith. The thing is, so many people say so many wonderful things about the Black that I find myself wondering whether I'm just not going to find a cart that offers me the sound I like or whether there's something fundamentally wrong with my set up. Part of the reason for considering a change is that the Black is, apparently, very sensitive to set up so if I haven't got it right, that might well be a significant part of the problem.
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Posted: 30 Dec 2016 at 1:54pm |
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Strange that you find the tone unbalanced like that, my experience with the 2M Black is a pretty neutral & quite clinical sound across the whole frequency range (a bit 'digital' but not a recessed midrange). Maybe the turntable/arm is accentuating those highs.
Have you considered an MC cartridge because treble performance is generally regarded as superior to most MMs? As an example, the Hana carts receive good reports & the range includes high output versions. |
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