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Proprius and high efficiency single driver speaker

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Thanks Bob,

I think that sensitivity figure is about right - the Alpair driver is slightly less sensitive than the Fostex drivers used in the past. The Frugals are not as sensitive as some of the larger horn systems and need more than 'flea power' to drive them. At a conservative 26 watts, the Proprius is very well suited but I probably wouldn't go for a much lower-powered amp. As for bass, I was astonished when I first demoed a pair at Electric Beach. I honestly thought a sub-woofer was switched on somewhere (it wasn't). I'm not that technical but the Frugal design is, I believe, a hybrid horn/transmission-line arrangement that can benefit from corner loading, which is how I demoed them. Very impressive musical bass, tightly controlled and agile. At home we can't get them into a corner but have them close to the rear wall. The bass remains deep, tight and tuneful - very much in balance with the rest of the sound spectrum.

To compare the Proprius/Frugals with the 300 watt Quad/Tannoys is a bit like comparing (I'm a classic car buff) an original Lotus Elan with, say, an older Aston Martin or Bristol. Both are very classy, fast and satisfying in their own way, but one is nimble, responsive and small enough to enjoy just about anywhere. The other isn't. The difference between a true sports car and a GT. The Tannoys did bass in spades, but at the expense of a lot of living room real estate. The fact that the Frugals do great bass, probably a bit more musical and controlled, from a much smaller footprint, swung it for us as we start to downsize. And the Tannoys did 'honk' a bit and were quite directional. Don't get me wrong, we've had 10 years of happy Tannoy ownership and enjoyment, but things move on. Are the Frugals perfect, I doubt it, and they are probably not right for everyone, but I think they are worth checking out as a slightly left-field alternative. Oh, and the Tannoys were over £4k at list (ten years ago) while the Frugals are around £860 from Electric Beach depending on finish. The speakers can also be tailored and tuned to your exact requirements.


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I agree with Bob, that is a nice write up Shaun and thank you for taking the time to post it.

Another member here has been involved with some DIY single driver speakers using an Alpair driver and powering it with Proprius amps.  Reportedly with very satisfactory results.

I have used single driver BLH for some years now and love them and the way they present the music.

Mine are a little more sensitive than yours though.

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I have never heard a pair of horn speakers, but they "sound" like you are really enjoying them. It makes me tempted to try and get a listen.
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Thanks for the extra comments, Shaun. Those Frugal 3s seem exceptional value - I was expecting them to sell for at least £2,000. . . . 
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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

Those Frugal 3s seem exceptional value - . . . . 

£280 for kit, including drivers, from Custom Cans in Cheltenham, might have just given me an idea for a combined Christmas and Birthday present for my son. He wants new speakers.
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I'm tempted to try a pair at £280.
I think the postage may be a tad expensive, so I may have to wait until next time I am in the UK and pop into Cheltenham. It's just up the road from my parents.
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Originally posted by CageyH CageyH wrote:

I'm tempted to try a pair at £280.
I think the postage may be a tad expensive, so I may have to wait until next time I am in the UK and pop into Cheltenham. It's just up the road from my parents.

When might you be in the UK. If you get them, I'd be interested in following your build if you were to share it on the forum.
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