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ServerBaboon
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Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 12:16pm |
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Unfortunately since you are the one that has to listen to the consequences of the decision It is dificult for anyone else to tell what to buy. I am in no particular mood to change but I have not heard a side by side comparison in my system so all I can say is never say never. An easy solution is to loan a Reflex M (its free except for P&P) and try your Blue and perhaps with the link review decide whether the house sound of the 2M range is what you want. If you buy a Reflex M you can still move to MC, but you would need to buy an Elevator as well, so you are not cut off. If you did buy a Reflex M you could still use you Blue for a bit, especially during the burn in period. You could always email Henley and ask them what level of Cartridge you turntable can handle. Drewen77 - Blue stylus for background listening....mmmm... interesting. |
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Steve
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Paul P
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Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 4:31pm |
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Thanks again for the info , I've just e-mailed Henley and now wait for their reply .
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Graham Slee
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Posted: 23 Jun 2013 at 6:34pm |
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Hello Paul, thank you for asking me by email. I replied to you but I'm also including it here...
Well, you know me, I'm quite simply pro-MM. I believe if a MM is set up properly it scores way above MC. It does it because MM doesn't place ridiculous demands on phono preamp electronics gain. The designer (e.g. me) is freed from worries about S/N ratios allowing him to concentrate on wider bandwidth and therefore faster reacting circuits. These tend to be quieter (this being counter-intuitive) because the faster reaction means shorter propagation delays which reduces overshoot in feedback amplifiers - the result is quieter vinyl (the circuits need time powered on to achieve minimum overshoot - after a few weeks the vinyl gets quieter and that's not placebo effect). Trade-in a little S/N ratio for reduced overshoot and you bring to life your LPs. The downside can be the fight against hum simply because some modern tone arms have poor shielding properties. They're like that because their designers know they can get away with it... it's easy to blame the poor old MM and ridicule people for not having an MC. You see, with an MC the source impedance is much lower which tends to make the wiring more immune to interference... it's a cheat in my book. There is a half way house and that's to use a high output MC and "tg" has some good recommendations there. You'll still only need a good MM phono stage but you may also find a bit of impedance matching is necessary, but "tg" covered that also. Hope "tg" will chip in (if he hasn't done already). Graham |
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Fatmangolf
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Posted: 25 Jun 2013 at 10:46pm |
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Ahem I have a confession to make. I am listening to a Denon 103 MC cartridge on my much loved and improved Sl1210/Zephyr deck. It sounds very good and is challenging my previous views about MC being very expensive, bright, and fiddly. Thanks to phildent for loaning me the 103.
The GSP Reflex C is a big factor in presenting the music I am enjoying. |
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Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
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TWM
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Posted: 28 Jun 2013 at 2:18am |
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Anyone tried a Dynavector 20 x 2 with a Graham Amp 2 SE on a RP-6?
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Chris Firth
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Posted: 28 Jun 2013 at 1:27pm |
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If it's a 20x2H you shouldn't have any problems with it - it's designed to run into a MM phono stage.
If it's a 20x2L then you're going to need to step up the signal, either by Step Up Transformer, or using one of Graham's Elevators. I run a Sumiko Blue Point Special Evo III into a GramAmp2 SE with no problems. The Sumiko isn't one for the faint hearted though ... ![]() Edited by Chris Firth - 28 Jun 2013 at 1:28pm |
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morris_minor
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Posted: 28 Jun 2013 at 10:21pm |
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I considered an Evo III for a while, Chris, but was put off by conflicting reports. How would you characterise it?
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Bob
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