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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Wandique Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 12:36pm
Miguel,

What changes happened ?
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote suede Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 1:10pm
Surely there couldn't be much improvement?? Given the emphasis on impeccable quality with GSP products it doesn't make much sense that such a cheap component as a power handling cable should be an achilles heel. Maybe the previous cable was somehow defective?
On the other hand as I haven't tried any of this for myself I can only make guesses and assumptions.


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Kelvin can answer all this, but unfortunately, by now, I think he's dead.

However, his observations are still with us.

Believe it or not, Kelvin currents, expanded upon by Kirchoff, started out very much like Newton's laws did after the apple hit him on the head. In the case of Kelvin, he was making his living in telling folk where the silt was in canals so they knew where to dredge.

We now know that the silt builds up on the side from where the wind predominantly blows.

What has all that to do with audio you may ask?

Well, substitute current direction for wind direction (a westerly blows to the east...) and find the source of the current, and that's where it flows back to - just like the currents in the water which deposited the silt right back to the side where it started. Made Kelvin a few bucks!

Today, we see terms like "Kelvin capacitor" when reading about amp decoupling - or should I say, we read about such things in the real world, which unfortunately most of you guys don't usually see because of all the hi-fi hype - but then again you have me... Hug

So, if the power starts out at the power station... yup! It ends up back there on the other phase!

So, I guess you could take that as an add for batteries? Nope! Unfortunately batteries often let the side down because of a thing called internal resistance. But, if you use a truck battery, that can be minimised.

Now, because all this stuff is part of the basic knowledge required to build incredibly good sounding gear, then I do actually take it into consideration. In fact, it's a major consideration.

But, at some point I have to say "No, that's it! Nobody will pay me what it takes to go that far". It is a case of diminishing returns - the cost curve increases considerably whilst the perceivable improvements become fewer.

I don't want to put the dampers on this discussion - in fact, I want to encourage it. But let's not confuse differences with improvements. Often there can be a big difference, but it may not be an actual improvement when heard by others.

This place is a credible place - let's keep it that way for our visitors.





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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote tg [RIP] Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 5:31am

I have noticed improvement from using a better quality (not highly expensive) power cord on my power amplifier - the cable uses heavier wire and good quality plugs either end and replaced a standard "kettle lead" type.  Cost less than $60.  My feeling being that better quality contacts and greater current capacity improved the ability to rapidly respond to increased current draw.

I will probably try similar with other components at some time.

I have also noticed improvement by removing any SMPS plugs from boards directly connected to other components and giving them their own separate supply board and line to reduce any mains pollution they may contribute.  The rest of my gear runs from a power conditioner box.

I have directly compared my pre SRG Solo using the SMPS, a DIY linear supply and the PSU1.

The DIY linear was not very sophisticated but gave a marked improvement over the SMPS.

Direct comparison showed the PSU1 to better the DIY job.

WRT battery supplies, it might be worth reading the articles on regulator noise and design at http://www.tnt-audio.com/clinica/regulators_noise1_e.html

Of particular interest are the graphs of comparative noise levels of some battery supplies.


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Due to the ferrites on both ends I felt the music presentation was clearer and the background was blacker. Also the cable is shielded and since I have a very crowded cabinet with a lot of gear I believe it helped in the overall sound presentation. Lastly I purchased the power cord on sale fro under $90 USD so I do not have a lot of money sunk into it. YMMV.
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I agree Miguel, I think it´s all about radio frequencies ... I know how good is the PSU1, this is not the point, but I understand that a better cable with ferrite stoppers make it sound a little better since I don´t have rf anymore !

Graham, you are quite right saying that "different" is not (necessarely) better.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fatmangolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Aug 2012 at 9:20pm
I have replaced almost of my stock mains cables and heard a difference in most cases. the cables vary from £50/60 to £150. Two big impacts: the CD player (clearer) and subwoofer (faster and punchier on kick drums).
 
It is quite subjective and I also agree with Graham's comment.
 
Try a cable swap and see what you think.
 
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