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Is High End dying?

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Originally posted by 11rushgarrick11 11rushgarrick11 wrote:

 
 Its here we part though as I don't see having just a lossless file sat on a pc fed, dac'd then amped as high end.

 

For me, it's a mental thing.
How can something streamed from a hard drive sound as good as a CD or vinyl and, thus, how can it be high-end? It doesn't really matter that streaming on my system sounds, pretty much, as good as CD (but not vinyl Wink).
I think once the technology has matured it will then break down barriers and become the medium of choice for 'audiophiles' that CD once was. (oh, and CD will be resigned to that of a niche product just like vinyl LOL)

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The high end is good if it is about proper research and development which delivers results.

Unfortunately a good proportion of the high end is as risky as a frozen lasagne!

Just how can you tell that it's real beef and not horse meat?

When put in a position of having to read manufacturers claims I am able to spot horse meat, but are you able?
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Could not agree more with both of you...!!!
So.... agreed Miche at this moment in time I'm quite happy keep the files on cd it's a psychological thing (although give time I will factually swear its merits)

And without genuine research we end up with nice shiny pretty boxes with little substance in the middle and the same can be said for the sound. I once auditioned a product all i'll say is the initials M and L only on closer in depth inspection jeepers how dare you ask that much

"Unfortunately a good proportion of the high end is as risky as a frozen lasagne!" Still chuckling to myself...

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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:


Just how can you tell that it's real beef and not horse meat?

When put in a position of having to read manufacturers claims I am able to spot horse meat, but are you able?

I was just having that very discussion with my wife as were walking the dog, do we trust what we are told? No, not anymore! I can't tell horsemeat from real beef (we make our own lasagne, by the way) anymore than I can break down manufacturers claims about their latest wares. I know I am not taken in by bling boxes (I have Naim for goodness sake!) I just like how it sounds.............OK I do have a 'pink' RP6 (you can have that one Wink).
My wife thinks that consumers like to see what their money is getting them by putting amps, etc. in fancy clothes (carved out of one piece of solid gold, don't you know) on them and supplying lint-free gloves to handle them.
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I subscribe to a high-end audio blog which delivers an email every day with details of the most extravagant kit you could imagine. Amplifiers for $50,000, speakers for $100,000, that sort of thing. The bling factor is enormous as it has to look as though it's worth that much. The thing is, someone, somewhere (with too much money and too little common sense, maybe) must be buying this stuff. But I suppose if it costs $5,000 to make a pair of speakers, selling them for $100,000 means you don't need to sell more than 1 pair to be laughing all the way to the bank (while sniggering at someone's gullibility, no doubt).


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I guess by doing it that way you remove the inevitable cash flow problems proper businesses have to cope with.

Obviously proper business owners want such practices to stop. It's not that these items can perform like a Maserati, ours can do that, and are much more reasonably priced.

I have noticed that a few brands are being mentioned above, and OK, it's in context, so I won't play the T&C card, but having been around a few years I can remember some of the claims they made, and obviously some have been taken in.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote mitch65 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 10 Feb 2013 at 12:07pm
Sounds the drubbing DD turntables got back in the early 70's by a certain manufacturer. No I won't mention their name this time as most people will know. Didn't mean to sail too close to the wind with names and you obviously appreciate the context they were mentioned but I will try to be more subtle in the future.
just a thought Graham, do you have designs on a streamer in the future? Not knowing R+D costs for such a venture or whether it really interests you.
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