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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:



Analogue Devices are similar to what Burr-Brown was, but Texas could see the value in milking the audiophile cow using the Burr-Brown tag.


They certainly do milk it from what I've seen. Browsing online or the catalogs I've seen, any product that has a chip from the brand is always advertised as such with ad copy specifically pointing it out, not just flatly stating it in the specs section. 


Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:



Skipping to the favourite pastime of chip-rolling, there are scores of partially technical proponents of high slew-rate op-amps all over the internet. The formula for the power supply capacitors in "Talkin' PSUs" Q = CV = IT also applies to slew rate, except, looking at the chip-rolling antics, it would seem that science has nothing to do with it.

If you don't know how an amplifier circuit works, you won't see what you're doing with an op-amp - it's that simple.

I never understood the point of changing op-amps in a piece of equipment like that. I guess some people think that all manufacturers use the "wrong" op-amp or the "cheapest" one or whatever. Maybe they never thought the equipment was designed to be used with a specific component and that changing it might have unintended consequences. 

Then again you also have companies like this telling us we "need" to switch out our op-amps. 



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Thank YOU all for very useful contributions ......
I now dream of a Pentode driven Pre-amp fed from 'Genera'' or Line level output, 6volt Mac Pro Transport or my WALKMAN Cassette portableCD player  to feed DAC and Proprius, bypassing the electronic Pot pre-amp......perhaps,  holding my breath, for DAK badge front plate and circuit board.  
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I thought I'd clearly expressed the reason for this topic on page 1 - maybe Grammarly is changing my plan? I only got it as a spell-checker -- oh dear, I meant spelling checker. Perhaps it's putting a spell on my topic. Maybe it's flipping what I meant to say!

Did you ever see "Life of Brian" by Monty Python? In the scene where the woman shouts "look, the holy gourd," but it's too late, a guy yells, "look, the holy slipper," and the crowd runs after that instead.

In my lifetime, I discovered the peculiarity about hi-fi is its willingness to pick up on any fad, and the hoards of zilch knowledge think they learned something new and run with it.

The problem is "separates." If you're into tripping, you might get lucky and have sounds from down the garden, out in the square, Hendrix walking behind you, sounds appearing from behind walls - spooky!

Yes, the problem is "separates," and most don't get lucky. But I'll not dwell on trippy sound stages because I know how it's done, and I lost interest because, after a while, you want music the way it is.

Harshness, Clicks, and Pops is what this topic is about. There are real physical things that emphasize them, and equally, there are actual physical things that can do the opposite.

If we stop a while, we might discover a few things, when we buy something that's supposed to make it better, why it doesn't. The problem is our choice of separates and/or how we use them.
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Today, it might seem I'm going off-topic.

As Dr. Jones said, "you can learn a lot from what you know." He was talking about observations.

Say if you wanted to learn about high impedance, low impedance, and transformers; firstly, you could look into the outside air to see if there are any overhead power lines.

The power in this country is alternating current at a frequency of 50Hz.

You could get an old 64-ohm live-chassis TV speaker in series with a 40-watt lightbulb (remember them!) and wire to a 13A plug, but I wouldn't recommend it. However, by doing so, I taught myself (aged 9) what 50Hz sounded like.

Going a little off-topic, it made an excellent spark transmitter. By tuning the "steam radio" between stations and chopping live or neutral wires, bareing their ends, and flicking them together, the radio responded with a hard click-clop sound. The click-clop sound became louder by winding several turns of insulated wire around an old jam jar and putting them in series with the speaker and light bulb.

As is the law, I have to tell you not to do this at home! It is incredibly dangerous, and the 240 volts 50Hz ac current gives you a right jolt of a tickle up your arm and into your chest! No, don't try this at home. You might think it somewhat remiss of mum and dad letting me do this, but they didn't know what I was up to.

If you've ever looked into a consumer unit - the box with all the fuses/circuit breakers in it - you might note that the live, neutral, and earth busbars are chunky pieces of copper.

There might be other houses on your street/lane/road? They also have consumer units containing hefty busbars.

If you laid all the busbars (let's choose the nice looking neutral ones) in a suburban street side by side, and if they magically became plasticine, you could squeeze them together (without increasing their lengths) and mould them into a large cylindrical shape - I think you'd need two hands - it would be a large diameter cylinder!

It might be that there are 100 houses surrounding an electricity "sub-station," and so we need more plasticine! The eventual cylinder's diameter is the neutral conductor's diameter required to carry the current for all those houses. You'd have the same diameter for the live conductor. Woah! That's some incredibly thick cable!

However, the overhead cable, which carries all that power, is only about 12mm in diameter (don't climb up to check!) It doesn't compute - how can that be?

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The 12mm diameter overhead cable might be able to drive 100 amps, sufficient for one house, but might drive 12,000 amps, enough for all the homes on the local substation; how come?

The answer is the transformer. The substation has a bank of transformers - great big things painted grey with oil-cooled windings.

The overhead cable might carry 30,000 volts. When transformed to 250 volts for the houses, the ratio is 120:1. The voltage reduces, and the current increases.

It's that last thing you need to remember: voltage reduces, current increases. It can go the other way, too - transformers can step-up voltage, and when they do, the current steps down.

The heavier the load, the more current you need.

Now, consider the transformer "preamp." It can transform voltage up, and so its output current is transformed down. Yes, I know the blurb says different, but physics is the boss!

Impedance (ac resistance) is related to voltage and current by ohms law. Ohms law used to be taught at secondary level in British schools, but it's one of those things that is easily forgotten unless you work with it daily.

If your transformer "preamp" has an input impedance of 100k and transforms up to give a gain of 10, its output impedance is 1meg.

I don't have much patience to continue trying to explain the bollocks expounded by these pirates, so if you didn't understand, well, you never will.
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.....''If your transformer "preamp" has an input impedance of 100k and transforms up to give a gain of 10, its output impedance is 1meg.

I don't have much patience to continue trying to explain the bollocks expounded by these pirates, so if you didn't understand, well, you never will.'''

Just when It was getting interesting  .....perhaps a cup of Yorskhire tea and scones and another try on sunny day ...but would wait .....holding my breath ..
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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:



I don't have much patience to continue trying to explain the bollocks expounded by these pirates



Understandable. I think I've got the gist of it. Thanks for taking the time to explain things. 
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