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DAC for Solo UL and HD650?
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Aha! Now that makes absolute sense to a non engineer like me. A lovely explanation Graham...and the statement about Mr Proprius living easy with those 250 watt EC monoblocks certainly pricks up the ears. You see for people like me who know their music..live it and want equipment to do it justice, the engineering and other technical expertise sounds good..but means nothing when it comes to deciding on gear. Straight up info like the above makes sense to me. It will make sense to hundreds of others like me brought up on bigger specs. is better etc. My brain tells me I'm listening to a powerful Naim system cos it says 100 watts rms on the tin...my brain will go into meltdown if it said 25 watt rms no? I get it. That prejudice of my generation (I'm the Punk/Post Punk generation of 1977) means I looked at the wattage on the Proprius when it came out - and ran a mile. Even though I knew the quality would be top!

Oh boy. My wallet will probably hate you more than my wife does at the end of this Graham.
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I think most of us here have learnt a lot about the technicalities of audio - I know I certainly have. And it's been a rather sobering feeling to face up to the fact that I'd been misunderstanding a great deal about audio specifications, especially digital audio.

The bigger-the-number-the-better brigade have a lot to answer for in foisting poorly specified, poorly performing kit on the great unwashed with seemingly logical marketing-speak mumbo jumbo. 

Now I've climbed down from the soapbox, I'll say that my Proprii replaced a much more powerful (in terms of watts) AV amp when I switched to an AV processor/pre-amp. There was just as much oomph (a technical term) in terms of sound pressure, but an altogether different quality - with depth, dynamics and detail all in a different, and better, ball park. Movies sound great, and music has improved enormously, with another level coming along when I replaced the speaker cable connecting my PMCs up with Graham's Spatia set.

I suggest you set aside some of your audio-upgrade budget for something to placate your wife, though it's quite likely she'll hear the difference . . .Wink . . . and your bank manager will nod sagely at your choice of equipment. (Maybe LOL).
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Ah the ole venerable morris minor..love it! Thank you for the heads up on the wifey strategy but my cunning plan is simpler: keep her wholly satisfied wiv a jolly good ole Roger. Works wonders I promise ya man.

Okies I've inadvertently strayed from the poor OPs thread! Suffice to say I very much look forward to demoing the Solo UDLE soon...and later hopefully the Proprii, alobg with Mr G's new Preamp and big DAC. My ProAc Studio 140 are 91db anyway so will go loud enuff to shake my 30 x 25 foot space I hope.

And the wifey will be paid in full no worries. The bank manager I don't actually fancy so....

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Please pm me when you want to borrow any of the equipment and I will do my best to help with that part of it.
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Originally posted by Fatmangolf Fatmangolf wrote:

Please pm me when you want to borrow any of the equipment and I will do my best to help with that part of it.

Hi Jon.  

Many thanks! I look forward to it. Will be in the new year sometime and I would like very much to loan the UDLE with PSU1 at this point. The rest can wait for later as I am in no hurry. My long term aim is to replace my MDAC with a GS DAC and then move on to the Proprii and a potential GS Preamp.  

I am no fanboy of any particular company - even my Naim set up can go if I find the Proprii better suited to me.Smile

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Hi Dil
My system has a number of similarities with yours viz. Linn turntable, NAC 72 and NAP250.
I borrowed a Graham Slee Reflex M phono stage a few months ago to compare with that in my NAC 72. The Reflex blew the Naim phono stage away so effectively that I immediately bought a Reflex M and PSU1. I wrote on this subject in the Phono Preamp sub-forum about 6 months ago.
 
So if you have a reasonable vinyl collection, I suggest you borrow a GS Phono stage. You may find a good reason to play all that vinyl again. I'm assuming your NAC 82 will have the same phono boards as in the NAC 72.
 
I'm glad you are not going to compare the NAP250 with Proprii for some time. I think I can predict the likely answer and am not yet ready to spend more cash.
 
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Hi Marsh

Excellent. Thank you for that - as a previous/present Naim owner your opinion is valuable. To be honest my primary listening sourced are now PC FLACs and the Meridian CDP through the Novo. My living room stereo set up has been safely stored in the attic due to new arrivals in the family lol, and I wont be looking to upgrade my Vinyl setup for a wee while yet. If so the Axis will need to be replaced as it is showing its age and trying to upgrade components on the Axis seems pointless. I don't think Linn's budget versions of their TTs actually worked too well to be honest! Lets face it..its not quite a Sondek is it? Oh boy..your final sentence sounds like a subliminal message on the positive merits of the Proprii in relation to my Naims - thus the better half sure is gonna kill ya, mate. You have no one to blame but yourself no?

Soooo, my short term plan for home headphone pleasure now looks solid: 

New GS DAC of some sort ----> A Solo of some sort ---->HD650. 

Which in a rather roundabout but interesting way brings me elegantly back on thread no?

Cheers Dil       

 
     
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