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Posted: 29 Nov 2009 at 4:58am |
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Anyway, getting back to the electronics...
The third part of my slightly off-topic ramblings considers the distortion produced by the input stages of the phono preamp... That is to say, before the application of negative feedback - the open loop distortion. Taking solid-state, or more accurately, an input transistor (a bipolar transistor): these offer the lowest noise which is a prerequisite of a phono preamp input. Unless steps are taken to avoid it, a transistor input (whether discrete or in an op-amp) is only linear for a 60mV peak to peak input voltage. Taking the output of a moving magnet cartridge we see it's around 5mV rms, which is about 14mV peak to peak, so that should be OK? Wrong! Let's look at its output at 20kHz. Due to RIAA and the fact that magnetic cartridges give an output proportional to velocity. As the frequency increases the output does also. And by 20dB per decade, which all boils down to an output of ten times that rated at 20kHz. What will that be? 140mV p-p. Ouch! Never mind, we have negative feedback? Just how much negative feedback will it take to cure extreme clipping? About 40dB according to Nyquist (Bell Telephone Labs). And most op-amps have that amount of gain "headroom", and a discrete stage can be arranged to do so too. But hang on, are we not in the territory of mending something that just broke? Yes we are. And the sound isn't going to be all that natural. What is needed is an input stage that is more linear - that allows a larger input signal without clipping it. Then, when we apply negative feedback it is to address slight irregularities rather than glueing a broken vase back together. This should therefore explain why - if the electronics is suspect - why loud passages and high frequencies can sound distorted, while ordinarilly everything is just sweetness and light. This may not be the case here, but it will be in some systems. |
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Chivas
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Posted: 30 Nov 2009 at 8:30am |
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@ Tony
Hi Tony, many thanks for all the advice and feedback. I've been working 24/7 the last week, so haven't had too much time to fiddle around. You are right, I bought the F1Sport armplate, it looks pretty neat and like I said I couldn't get myself to pay £90 for the DC armplate, 1. cause it just feels like a ridiculous price, 2. DC.... I will try the o-ring idea, it sounds interesting.
@ Tony and Graham
All things aside, although my time has been limited, I have fiddled enough and am enjoying enough success with the DL-110 and AT95E to start wondering if I haven't perhaps damaged my 1042 somehow...?
I will try and find a dealer in London to whom I can take it and try on one of their tables, as I am a lonesome ranger when it comes to Audio in my circle of friends, not even to mention vinyl....
If the 1042 is indeed damaged I would like to replace it, because I quite enjoyed it, gave me a little bit more detail and punch than the DL-110 (although I haven't tried your 1k loading plug suggestion yet, Tony). The 1042 replacement stylus is so bloody expensive (£150 and I can get a new one for £180). Some other forums suggested a replacement for the 1042 and mentioned the Sumiko Blue Point Special which is supposedly much better than the 1042..?, but flimsy and being a novice my fingers are still a little clumsy, so this makes me nervous, don't want to withdraw from the Reflex piggy bank to keep on replacing styli!!
At this point I think it is also worth revisiting my commitment to MM/MC which will determine my next investment in cartridge and Reflex M/C. First things first, I need to find a good dealer in London.
I will come back with more on my findings and your specific suggestions as soon time allows.
PS. Thanks for the interesting teach in Graham!
Cheers
Chivas
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Posted: 02 Dec 2009 at 7:25am |
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Thanks for the progress report, don't forget that the DL-160 will work direct into your 2 SE and is quite a step up from the DL-110 (if the Goldring is defunct). I considered the BPS at one time but ultimately came across too many conflicting reports. Enjoy the music. |
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Posted: 05 Dec 2009 at 12:08pm |
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Hi Tony
I found the BPS on Ebay for quite a good price and thought I'd give it a try. I can hear it's a good cartridge, but a little too laid back for my liking. It's tonally very well balanced, soundstaging is great, but lacks the punch and energy. I think you summed the DL-110 up quite well when you said it's like it grabs you by the ear and says "Hey, listen up, music happening". The BPS lacks that for me, although I think it is better in certain aspects than the DL-110, including soundstaging. For me, the DL-110 is somewhere between the BPS and 1042 when it comes to the foot tapping factor. The 1042 definitely had its shortcomings, and could sometimes be a little edgy and fatiguing, but it had the ability to send shivers down my spine at the right moments. The vinyl experience is definitely still a novelty to me and everytime I sit down to listen it is for a focused session and I wait for the shivers... The BPS doesn't do this for me. Interestingly enough, although it has a 2.5mV output and the DL-110 1.6mV, I find that I have to turn the volume up quite a bit higher with the BPS. In my experience it is a good thing, it means everything is well balanced and in place, nothing is in your face, turning the volume down is a bad sign, but in this case I am perceiving it as a need for wanting more, some kick missing.
Just in case you were interested...
Chivas
PS. I really believe now that the 1042 is defunct as I was also able to set the BPS up without any hassles, so don't think it is the tonearm setup anymore. I still don't know how I managed this. Is it easy to damage a stylus with a stylus brush?
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