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GoSUV
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Topic: Let's discuss power source!Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 7:53am |
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For any audio enthusiast, if you dig deep enough into the world of hifi audio, be it headphone systems or speaker-based systems, vinyl or CD or DAC/CAS as source, you simply can't get away from the power source, and the "cleanliness" of it.
The theory behind it is very simple, as the power source is the foundation of everything that runs on electricity. However, depending on who you listen to, there are no shortage of people who sell snake oil in this business, and myths and hype are rampant. I don't claim to be an electrical expert, nor do I work in the audio industry. However I do have an engineering degree so I know the basic difference between AC and DC power, resistance and capacitance and inductance, frequency response and filters etc. If I'm not mistaken, most of the components in our audio system that runs on power (e.g. except passive speakers and headphones) needs DC to operate. When you plug your mains AC power to these boxes, it gets converted by transformers and rectifiers to DC. The conversion can take place inside the main chassis, or you can have external switched mode power supplies or the more substantial units like the PSU1. Whichever way you do it, you need to convert the AC power from the mains socket on the wall to DC power before the system can do anything with it. The quality of the AC-DC conversion with the different methods of course varies due to design and budget constrains. Although I don't own the PSU1 (yet), I'm sure it is a huge improvement over the "green" switched mode power supply. All is good. But now comes my question. There are tons of so called "AC line conditioners", "audiophile AC power cables", "audiophile sockets" and all the way up to "AC power regenerators", like a mini power plant right in your home, that costs upwards of tens of thousands of dollars. How much do these things improve the sound really, and for the PSU1 specifically, how much of an improvement would you get, if you substitute the regular AC power cord with one of these "audiophile" grade ones? My thinking goes beyond "audiophile" power cords and all those high end power solutions. I have been trying to build a CAS system using a laptop computer, that will allow me to run on batteries while listening to music. I have also been evaluating DACs that either use a high-quality outboard power supply or employs batteries outright so that I can completely detach from the power grid. My theory is, you cannot get more pure and clean DC power than batteries. I currently have the Voyager portable amp, but have been looking at the Solo UL with the PSU1. My overall plan is to get my entire audio chain as clean as possible and free from AC power artifacts to maximize their performance. I just have my doubts about the so called audiophile AC power solutions and whether they are worth the high prices they command. Perhaps I can hope the man can comment himself if a high quality AC power cord connected to the PSU1 will further improve its performance. |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 8:50am |
This is something I've been wondering too! It's hard to distinguish the "facts" from the snake-oil BS put out by a lot of vendors. How about audiophile fuses for your mains plugs? Aside from power leads there's also audiophile USB cables and audiophile CAT5 cables - another can of worms! You can't help but think that a fool and his money are soon parted; an audiophool even more so
(- he writes, thinking "how far down the road to audiophoolery have I gone already?" Lol!) |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 10:37am |
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As an aside, at first I did not believe USB cables make any difference at all and had just used whatever I could find around my computer desk. I had always just stole the cable from my portable USB harddrive and used it for my DAC. But one day I was also using the harddrive so I need a different one for the DAC, so I just grabbed another cable from a cheap USB hub and connected it to the DAC. Now I noticed the sound was different. Vastly different. I even thought there was something wrong with my system. The highs are harsh, lows are gone and the dynamics are just missing. I couldn't believe it was the USB cable, but that was the only thing changed. So I waited for the USB harddrive to free up, so that I could rob its cable again and use it for the DAC. Voila. Everything is back to the way it was. Both cables were no more than 1 meter long, but the harddrive cable is of course built much better and thicker, with the cheap USB hub cable thinner and more flimsy, same as the ones you would find in a dollar store.
Eventually I bought a $69 USB cable from an audio brand and was happy. To make a long story short, this startling discovery made me wonder whether the wild claims about different AC power cables were also true. Now I'm not saying those $1,000 USB cables were worth your money. I also believe in the rules of diminishing returns. I mean, if I invested in say, a $100 AC power cord that could make my system sound more noise-free, improve dynamics, and make the frequency extend higher and lower, I would jump at such a product. But as you say, the world is full of vendors who are always ready to make you part your money. I wish someone with the proper background in the science of mains power could offer something concrete. |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 11:31am |
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The only USB cable I have in my audio system is the one taking the output from the ADC to the computer for doing vinyl rips. I decided to hedge my bets, quality/SQ wise and bought a cheap one from an audio brand. But to be honest I couldn't be bothered to do any comparisons because my rips sound just like the LP (or as close as reasonably possible given the different components in the playback chain). Sometimes its good to stop chasing the final angel on the pinhead and just enjoy the music.
![]() But power products may well be different. I know its reported that the orientation of the figure-8 mains lead into PSU1 can produce different sonics - but I couldn't reliably determine this on my kit . . .
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Posted: 26 Apr 2012 at 12:36pm |
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I like this thread, and would be interested in hearing from the electronics experts here! We know Graham's CuSat connector cables make a difference between source units, so expect the material USB cables are made of must make a difference somewhere. But the power cables do mystify me, if as you say we were feeding AC to the motors then I could understand that maybe there would be an influence, but with DC can there be?
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 2:45am |
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Does anyone tried an "enhanced" mains cable with the PSU1 ? I tried one with my preamp an the results were very good indeed so I think it could be good a try with the PSU1 ...
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Posted: 31 Jul 2012 at 11:09am |
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I have and had good results. Will post a picture later.
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