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DAC for Solo UL and HD650?
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Originally posted by DrHouse DrHouse wrote:

I think I'm gonna bite the bullet with the M-DAC. Am pending a few responses on Head-Fi, but it seems the best sub-1000 DAC I can find.

If I order it before new year, hopefully it will come early in the first week of Jan alongside the UL from you guys courtesy of Jon! Looking forward to some sleepless nights...

After all this help, putting up impressions is the least I can do
 
The best sub-£1000 DAC that I've heard (or know of) is the Chord Qute. Not the best in terms of connectivity but it's a fantastic product for the price. I briefly had it on demo with a G. Slee headphone amp and the results were amazing.
 
I'm eargerly awaiting the Majestic dac to see if Graham can beat it !!
 
I'm currently using the Meridian Explorer as dac / amp with Senn HD650 and the HD250 from N.Ember and this is a great solution too.
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Ah, you're enjoying your HD250II then Stuart? ^__^
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Originally posted by LOINER LOINER wrote:

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      I also love my hd 650 through my ulde and am more than happy with this setup Why don't you try the loaner system and borrow an ulde for yourself but I will warn you be prepared to shell out for one


Hey there

Yes that is exactly my plan! Will need to wait till the new year tho cos of bleedin xmas lol. I know I'm gonna buy the thing because.....afterwards I doubt if I could live with the Novo at all. I'm not very patient once I hear something I like.
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Originally posted by dillon dillon wrote:

I'm darned sure Graham's Proprius are magical...are you suggesting demoing those as a Naim replacement? Must say its a a tempting proposition.
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I think the Proprius amps are outstanding but let your ears decide Dillon.
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Thanks for your input all. I kinda have now settled on demoing the Solo UDLE as im not one for incremental upgrades and I would want a big jump or nothing at all. Knowing also that I wont need to upgrade that component any further so can enjoy that for a long long while..possibly forever. Logical upgrades in that domain would then be headphones.

As to stereo amplification I will wait as I have house moves to sort out next year. As a longtime Naim disciple. ..I have to say it will take something very special to get me out of that set up. Although I have read Graham's blog on real world power usage, I just cant get my head around a 25 watt amp outmuscling the venerable Naim NAP250?

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Originally posted by dillon dillon wrote:

I just cant get my head around a 25 watt amp outmuscling the venerable Naim NAP250?


100W into 8, or 25W into 8 - what's the difference?

OK, say the speakers are 85dB sensitivity, so you get 85dB sound pressure at 1W. Both amps do 1W so no difference up to 85dB.

A 25W amp increases the decibels by 14dB to 99dB.

A 100W amp increases the decibels by 20dB to 105dB.

Difference 6dB.

As a doubling of distance away from the speakers results in a loss of 6dB, the Proprius will be like sitting twice the distance away from the speakers as you'd be with the "250" - when operated at maximum power.

Not much then?

Hi-Fi Plus went to Dublin High End 2012 and witnessed the Proprius alongside 250W class A monoblocks and wrote "Despite the EC amps being several times more powerful, the Slees lost no sense of energy and dynamism."

...lost no sense of energy and dynamism.

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