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DAC for Solo UL and HD650?

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I absolutely love my Bladelius USB DAC. It is a pure USB DAC which supports up to 24/192 via USB!
It takes its power from the computer which I was a bit sceptical towards at first. But the filtering inside must work magic as I think the sound is fantastically clean and airy yet with good punch and drive. At least for its price, it's fairly cheap (being hifi that is) at about £400 (in Sweden at least). If you're looking for a USB dac I suggest you check it out if you can.
I think it works very well with the UL too.

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@ FMG - the main source is a pc, so USB is vital. Dacmagic reviews have said it has so-so performance, so thats turned me away. 
As asynchronous USB is important for best performance, any suggestions for DACs with this?
So far Ive seen the Arcam rDac, HRT music streamer ii+, Musical Fidelity M1DAC, and the DACport. These all go to 24 bit 96khz (maybe not the M1DAC)

@suede - I can't seem to find that DAC anywhere in the UK :(

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fatmangolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Dec 2011 at 11:39pm
Yes I can confirm the DACMagic USB point, it is the weakest input technically and musically. I modified my unit to have Coax, Coax, Optical as the three inputs.
 
I had a quick look at the Schiit Bifrost. How much would it could cost to import to the UK, is it in the £300-400 range? The Bladelius seems good from Johan's recommendation.
 
What did you think of the DACs you listed for USB use? Were they a big step up from what you use now?
 
Miguel may have a point about an economic (i.e. cheap) fix for the short term. Your Solo UL and 650 combo is obviously worth a decent DAC.

Is an outboard USB DAC essential or could you fit an internal DAC/good quality soundcard inside your PC? I use an M-Audio Delta 2496 for vinyl rips and it does a decent job on playback, if that helps. It has SPDIF outputs on coax as well. I think it was about £60 when I got it and is probably still under £100.

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On a PC, higher resolution bitrates such as 24/96 will require specialised drivers (at least under XP) as the generic USB audio device is rated for USB1.1, which will not support the required data rate in duplex mode.  Terratec achieve it with their Phase 26 USB interface by using simplex mode and their own drivers.

It appears, from a lot of reading, that the best USB solutions involve intermediary converters such as the JKeny modded Hiface, the Audiophileo etc.  any of these will blow your budget severely.

The Beresford for example is 24/96 capable but not via USB - (having just compared that to the coax using 16/44 material I could not recommend it for USB use).

I tend to agree with fmg that the best option could be to use a capable soundcard offering S/PDIF out, Asus Xonar, M-Audio or a secondhand Terratec DMX 6 fire, should all come in relatively cheaply.

If you could find one, the ESI Juli@ could also be a very good option as a soundcard (that is what is used in the Auraliti music server).

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Odd then that brands such as Arcam advertise 24/96 support over USB. Despite this, the majority of my music is 16 bit (itunes/foobar), so overall quality is more important than support in this case I guess. What exactly would I need to do to make my PC support 24/96? I have windows 7, which from my memory supports USB 2.0 which should support 24/96. (correct me if wrong)

My PC is really not that great and does not warrant a soundcard change. It's actually a laptop. I'd much prefer an external setup so that I also have trhe option for use on my PS3 etc. Maybe in the future when I get a proper pc worth upgrading I will upgrade to a nice soundcard.

@FMG - Thanks, DACmagic ruled out. The Schiit Bifrost including postage is roughly between £300-350, so very similar to the others. 
And You are right, the last thing I want is a so-so DAC acting as a bottleneck on the system. Would it therefore be ideal to get a nice DAC now e.g. an Audiolab M-DAC, then get the UL at a later date? I am aiming to get a nice DAC asap so it is ready for when you send me the Solo UL model from the loaner program. 
Also, when I said I´d seen the DACs I unfortunately meant only online Unhappy. I am yet to find a place that offers comprehensive headphone amps and dacs to test, and am relying on reviews and user opinions. 

Many thanks to all posting thus far, extremely helpful. Great forum here!
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Noting what you say, I rechecked and found the following site you may find helpful http://thewelltemperedcomputer.com/HW/USB_DAC_Async.htm and they do say that 24/96 is possible over USB1.1

I therefore tried using the windows direct sound driver in Foobar, or at least to playback 24/96 files with the direct sound USB device selected as output, I was successful in that recognisable music was forthcoming from the DAC.

What is not apparently possible, is to do so using ASIO4all, which only seems to support 32 - 48 KHz sampling rates.  Since I always use ASIO drivers, (one of the advantages of semi-pro soundcards is that they nearly always come with ASIO drivers) I have suspicions as to what the direct sound driver may have been doing to the data between Foobar and the DAC (which has no indicator for the incoming sample rate).

Checking the TI datasheet for the receiver chip used shows it to have a max sample rate of 48KHz and to be limited to 16 bits, that would suggest that even if the DS driver did transmit the full 24/96 that it would not have passed from the USB receiver to the DAC proper.  Further reading of the datasheet for that particular chip reveals that regardless of the rate fed, the output is limited to 16/48.    These details are pertinent to the PCM2902B used in the Caiman as a USB receiver and will not necessarily be applicable to DACs using different USB receivers.

Bottom line of all this is that USB 2.0 audio on Windows does require custom drivers, but that that is only necessary for higher rates than 24/96. 

Have to say the Bladelius does look rather interesting, particularly in a minimalist, lack of clutter way, pity they are so coy about where to get one.

It would be a shame to hobble the UL with a so-so source, it does deserve the best you can give it.



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Originally posted by tg tg wrote:

It would be a shame to hobble the UL with a so-so source, it does deserve the best you can give it.


So then would you say it's worth putting of the UL for a short while so that I could get an audiolab M-DAC? If I do, I still save £300 on the not as good DAC in the very long term.
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