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) recorded a couple of LPs to digital files @ 24/96 sampling rate and without any post processing replaying via the same semi-pro external soundcard/interface from the computer and direct into my amp the SQ seemed fairly similar. I have not taken time to listen critically to the results as I have yet to find time to record another LP to make sufficient to fill an audio DVD for peer review.
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I'm a total nono on digital, streaming, music from PC's etc and not interested in it too.
But I can not and will not believe (no need to be proven by technical explanations; I don't care), that listening to the sound of a well recorded CD on a known good sounding CDP will be equalled by any other digital format on a good audio setup with loudspeakers.
 But..................I have no experience whatsoever.
Is there somebody here who can, from first hand LISTENING-EXPERIENCE in the same situation comparing side by side, contradict this presumption.
 Have fun Han
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Doesn't answer either of you directly, but yesterday I had the opportunity of hearing a comparison of 2 CD players that would fit Grahams idea of "high end", in that the retail price of both probably has as much to do with what the vendors believe someone will pay, as with the cost of components and R & D and production generally. These were heard in company with several others at the home of an acquaintance who owns a pair of rather exquisitely made and finished (and very good sounding) Duntech DSM-15 speakers and some rather serious amplification - more than capable of allowing the players to strut their stuff. The contenders were the owners Simaudio Moon (something or other model) CDP and a 47 labs Shigaraki transport and DAC. The 47 labs is around half the price of the Moon (still very X even if their cheapest model) and in the opinion of all present, including the somewhat bemused Moon owner, it rather upstaged the Moon in most areas on the system as configured. Particularly notable was its better portrayal of piano, especially in the definition of the lower registers and overall, on a variety of musical genres, it was the preferred choice of all present. So there is one out of left field for you, if you simply must have a "high-end" player, make sure you audition the 47 labs before you drop your cash. Otherwise, most of what I can tell you is already in my previous post. Han, if/when I find time, I may try the comparison for you, although to be fair, I may need to borrow your Cyrus for a few weeks ciao and enjoy the music. Edited by tg - 03 Mar 2009 at 7:34am |
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Came across this review http://theartofsound.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1919 - has a deal of discussion and comparison of various upmarket CD players and DAC/transport combinations with a final view of a quite cheap DAC in comparison. This might address some of your questions in a little more depth than one usually finds on hf. |
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Hi TG, thanks.
I''ll read it again somewhat preciezer, but it's an interesting read.
It's indeed about CDP's through the years, CDP's used as a transport, one dedicated transport and different(also cheap) DAC's and cabling listened to, on a high class speakersystem.
The constant here is that redbook CD's are being played all of the time.
Maybe I'll use your link on some other forums too, where discussions on transports offer great debates.
So, I'm still very curious about the difference in sound of a good stereoCD on a known-good-sounding CDP compared to other high quality digital formats, on a good speakersystem.
I still cannot believe those other digital formats will equal the stereo CD soundquality.
Have fun Han
EDIT: OK TG, your last reply is offcourse meant for the OP
But..................
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Han, fine if you got something from it, the language is fairly intense and the information contained in it quite condensed. He actually used two dedicated transports in addition to the 3 CDPs although it is necessary to read fairly carefully to note that. Worth noting also his observation that transports do indeed make a difference and also his observations on the amount of power on time before full performance is obtained - he in fact expands on this aspect somewhat in another review on the same site. He has a couple of other reviews on that site that I have read recently with interest, one on a tube buffer and a tube booster stage and another on a peculiar product or two from the Ringmat folk. Yes, I did originally think of Simons questions when I posted the link, particularly since to me, the observations and attendant equipment, were somewhat more considered and informed than the usual fluff on head-fi. But what the hey, whoever enjoys it For a thought provoker and not directly addressing your digital scepticism WRT Redbook CD. I would generally consider my vinyl frontend to be superior to my digital (CDP) frontend, but have recently (OK a couple of months ago The initial impression however was quite favourable. |
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Yeah, for a moment there I forgot all about that vinyl
 (I'm upgrading, but other subject)
Love my vinyl playback, I like my 8SE; though that feeling will also be strengthened by the different music I have on both softwaretypes.
I'll take another look on that forum too, sounds good to me.
Well I'm also curious about your "needledrops", never did that, but, hey, I'm diginono.
Hf Han
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