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Can snake oil fix a bad room? (a survey)

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I found a headphone like a HD250II/HD540II or K1000 were excellent as a listening reference for helping to get the speaker sound you want. Building your own speakers with quality drivers and a choice of enclosure that suits the listening room is a great start. Then the room needs dispersion clutter to scatter reflections and fabrics to absorb some bass boom. After that, the sound you get is typically very volume dependent and varies significantly on speaker placement and listening position.

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You have opened up a can of worms regarding this subject!. 

On other forums i visit where this is discussed frequently there have been solutions put forward ranging from common sense ( Affordable ) to the Bizzar ( Thousands of pounds being spent ) but at the end of the day its your money to spend and if your are happy with the end result then goal achieved.

Getting on to my position i entered my room dimensions in the " Room Modes calculator " . The top two lines came up yellow, the next eight came up light green and the rest of the chart was dark green. Apart from reading that it was mainly a negative result and getting a near good 1/3 octave ( Bonello ) not sure what it all means to be honest?.

At the moment i have my DALI Opticon 2 sitting on a 4ft wide solid walnut table with an ultra wide monitor sitting between them backing onto a studded wall and understandbly this is not ideal as i am aware and as there is a door to one side leaves me with no room to manoeuvre. Shortly though i am having extra power points installed in the solid brick wall opposite and will move equipment there, Put the speakers on floor stands and the turntable, audio units on shelf Hi-Fi wall supports. The outlay for this is relatively small but hope to hear the difference.

If i ever win the Euro Millions would probably buy Abbey Road Studios and move in thereLOL.
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I tend to find now that the sound does not really change when adjusting the volume unless to silly levels where your ears bleed (well maybe not quite!).

The main thing that's changes is dynamics and scale when winding up but otherwise virtually the same.
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I tend to find now that the sound does not really change when adjusting the volume unless to silly levels where your ears bleed (well maybe not quite!).

The main thing that's changes is dynamics and scale when winding up but otherwise virtually the same.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Graham Slee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 19 Jul 2017 at 3:19pm
Originally posted by hippyeverafter hippyeverafter wrote:

You have opened up a can of worms regarding this subject!


Sometimes you just have to dig to find out.

It is said we all hear differently. Hard to believe after 50,000 plus years of evolution...

So it has to be because of the listening acoustic. From a design and development point of view it is important to understand the listener's lot - and these comments should hopefully help everyone.

Propaganda over the years ensured the death of EQ (unless an essential part of a phono stage), and so in a boomy room (which at one stage I had) the listener could be clutching at straws, or blaming blameless products which I just about did. I'm sure we've all been there.

In the place of EQ there has popped up all kinds of things to "bend" the sound. All you need is a reviewer who doesn't understand his/her acoustic space to tell the world it's good, and the world buys into it - often without understanding and often finding it doesn't work for their particular circumstances - but best go along with it for fear of offending...

I would like to thank all participants for contributions so far, and hope many more will follow. Smile

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As I write from my unexpected hospital bed I have some time to write but no tape measure.

From memory the widest dimensions are 5.4mx 3.2m 2.3m or close to.

This showed with the correctly input dimensions A smooth curve with a modest blip higher up.

There is a fire place along the long wall about 6-8 inches deep with an open fire place(gas fire) with proper chimney.

Floor is concrete, walls are dot Andy dab over breezeblock type inner brickwork with an injected fibre filling in the cavity with brick outer.
The speakers are floor mounted firing out of the bay but closer than I would like due to 'other factors'

Bay is new upvc DG firing down the room at the other end there is a double glasss picture fram door in to dining room. Ceiling is modern plasterboard

Heaving furnished with two dense and large sofas a chair and thick carpets and underlay.
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In my view the room sounds on the dull and heavy side with a lot of hf absorption. Bass in the past from my transmission line speakers started as overblown/dull/soft sounding with an obvious bass boost as the listening sofa around 5 feet off the back wall. This could be alievated y leaning forward in the seat which cleaned the bass immensely.

I will set out the changes which were beneficial in many ways but did not really impact on what appeared to be possible room colourations.
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