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Advice: phono pre for Project Debut Carbon
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Hi Brent

I notice that in the UK, both the Debut Esprit and Carbon are being sold by various dealers with a 2M Red fitted as standard and this has the same dimensions as the 2M Black. I use a 2M Black (sometimes fitted with a Blue stylus for background listening to extend the life of the 'Black') but with a Rega RP-6 / Reflex-M/PSU1, not Pro-Ject

Johans' reply will be interesting because a friend had his dealer fit a 2M Bronze to a Pro-Ject Debut III and it didn't sound right so he changed TT to a Rega from another shop. The original dealer suggested that the Bronze/Black might be beyond the ability of the Debut III (or his abilities to align properly !)

I am not really sure about the real importance of VTA because so many records have different thicknesses anyway - 200gm, 180gm and various thinner 'standard' LP's. I have some really great sounding records at all thicknesses so maybe the mastering and quality of the original has far more impact than a few degrees of VTA. I treat each on its own merit and enjoy whatever the vinyl has to offer Smile




Edited by Drewan77 - 07 Sep 2013 at 10:08am
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Thanks Andrew. I had read on another forum that it is possible that the VTA on the carbon might not be 100% for the 2M red, but given that the 2M red was more forgiving / less sensitive it paired well. That persons argument then went on to say that with the 2M Black the VTA had to be spot on to get the best from it and as a result it wouldn't be wise to put it on the carbon.His argument makes sense, just not sure if it is correct? I guess there's a part of me that wants to hear that others are running the 2M black and loving it :)
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Hi, 
you made me curious.... so I went looking at my Project Expression III and in all honesty I could not find any way you could set the VTA on it. 

Maybe it's my ignorance...at the end all initials regulations on my TT were done by a fellow member of HiFiWigWam! Smile

Concerning my setup, I have been using a Cambridge Audio 640p until today (Cartridge is an Ortofon 2M Blu), but now.... a GranAmp SE2 is coming in the next few days....

Looking forward to receiving it, since when I compared the CA with a "normal" GranAmp Communicator provided by the loan schema it was the latter to win.... should I expect even better results with the SE2?

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Hi Franz,

The 2SE will give a better performance than the Communicator. It'll need a couple of weeks of regular use to sound it's best. I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
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The 2SE is much, much better than the 640P IMO.
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I haven't experienced any problems using the 2M Black with my ProJect Debut, they sound great together. The only thing is that the 2M cartridge was a bit heavier than the OM cartridge I had before so I had to get a new counterweight for the arm in order to be able to close the lid.
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