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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote Richardl60 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2016 at 1:43pm
Hello again. I am not sure whether you have had a bad experience but cannot believe his should be an issue, never anything I have considered for the years.

So for as the loading I use an elevator and on my M/coil currently use 1,000 ohm I don't normally touch it but have changed over the years as system has developed to tweak the sound a little. Can impact on the balance, dynamics, solidity in my experience, but if you didn't have it I suspect with most cartridges you wouldn't miss it really.

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Originally posted by philter philter wrote:

 Thanks for the input (excuse the pun!), is there any way you can describe the subtly different sound of the Accession vs the Reflex? - I prefer a sound that tends to the slightly warm side so would value your views on the difference.

Another question on the Accession - if I was putting it into a line in feed on my Arcam, would I use the fixed output setting or the variable output with the volume turned to max?  And finally, in what circumstances would I want to use the Flat response rather than EQ?
 
1. You can read my impressions of the Accession here

I can liken the difference between Reflex & Accession to the change from looking out through the clearest floor-to-ceiling glass or actually being outside.

2. I recommend the fixed output which avoids an extra item in the signal chain although I doubt it would have any negative effect. The variable output is mostly there for people who want to adjust volume when making vinyl rips. I don't have any use for the flat response and it sounds strange when I change the switch so maybe someone else could comment


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I used to own an Arcam A85/P85 and assuming a similar house sound, I can see no reason it wouldn't work well. Mine didn't have the phono stage module, so I've no direct experience of them, but I'd be prepared to bet that any GSP phono stage would outperform it by a considerable margin.

Built in phono stages do seem to making a reappearance here & there, due no doubt to the current resurgence in vinyl popularity, but I tend to view them as an "added feature" a nod to the current fashion.  My current amp does have a MM stage which got pressed into service once when I was doing some fault finding - and true to expectation it's not in the same ball park.

No doubt there's one lurking in an amp somewhere that'll make me eat my words Wink.

Seems to me you have the makings of a very capable front end, I heard the same deck sounding really good last year in a dealers, though it wasn't a proper audition as such. The arm is noticably a big improvement on the one in my old RPM9. Very nice indeed and fully deserving of a really good phono stage.

Assuming you are sticking with MC & price isn't too prohibitive - and you do seem to be inclined towards the higher end of Grahams range (actually cost effective in the long run I've found). I'd say Audition a Reflex C, get to know it & then maybe try an Accession/EXP to see if you think the the cost hike is worth it.

Could easily be that the one box is all you need. .. unless you start thinking in terms of a much more expensive cart, followed by cables, amps, speakers... you know the drill. The slippery path to financial ruin Tongue



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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote morris_minor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 20 Feb 2016 at 7:50pm
Originally posted by philter philter wrote:

 And finally, in what circumstances would I want to use the Flat response rather than EQ?
The Flat setting is explained on the Accession's webpage, but basically it allows alternative equalisations to be applied in software when ripping vinyl.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote philter Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2016 at 9:49pm
Ok - thanks Bob, that explains it.  Not something I'm likely to use tbh.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (1) Thanks(1)   Quote RichW Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 22 Feb 2016 at 8:07am
Hi Phil,
In an earlier post you ask if the Reflex C will cut it. I use one with an Ortofon MC - a Cadenza Blue,
& the combination is superb. Open, detailed & dynamic with spot on tonal balance & very little
hiss or surface noise on  records in reasonable condition. Another long listening session into the early hours last weekend says a lot for its capabilities!
I hope to try the Elevator/Accession option but the ReflexC is certainly worth serious thought.
Hope you're not confused now with too many options!

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Thanks Richard, it is good to know you are pleased with the results and it is definitely worth me trying that as an option.

There are lots of options as you say but the advice I have been given here has proved very helpful.  In the end it will come down to what I prefer in my own system so I may need to try several options before finding the right one.

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