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What ADC and/or DAC are you using?

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jrhughes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 9:25pm
I have a Dacmagic (the one just superseded by DM+). Into this goes ALAC either from iPod classic via Onkyo digital dock, or optical from iMac. The DM goes to my Solo ULDE.

Reading with great interest about the GSP DAC in development! I hope it's going to be included in the loan programme once completed, so that I can compare it to the DM and then... Well, we know what happens next
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote il Dottore Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 31 May 2012 at 10:20pm
Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:

Just out of interest, we're in the process of prototyping a stereo DAC with optical, coax and USB inputs. 96/24 on optical, 192/24 on coax, and, erm, only 48/16 on USB - but with no faffing about with drivers - plug and play! Front panel pushbutton switching, balanced outs, analogue volume control. Maximum oversampling fixed at 192kHz, meaning we can extend response and phase in analogue: -1dB at 40kHz, -45 degrees at 17kHz, to sound good. Also with -2dB soft clipping in digital domain. Wolfson receiver and DAC chipset - Burr-Brown USB to SPDIF. Also making use of a feature on the Wolfson 8741 nobody else seems to know about - a "proprietary trick". The output stage and analogue filters are discrete transistor, vertical stack class A inverting stages (phase correct at output).

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To be honest, I don't care about a direct USB input features.
That's why I bought USB/SPDIF converter.
Now I can try all DACs, regardless their USB inputs, including legendary old constructions, like Musical Fidelity Digilog (Tim de Paravicini design).
In fact, I don't care at all, has the DAC an USB input, or not... :)
USB/SPDIF converter is a small miracle for me.

Coming back to your DAC project, Sir Graham: Wolfsons are a very musical chips - good choice, indeed. Pure Class A and fully discrete solid state output stage? OK, very "kosher", as it should be.
But, what is very important (if not most important) in DAC construction, from my point of view, is also proper power supply!
Let's look inside the legendary Sony DAS R-1:
http://images.audioasylum.com/usr/y2009/10/28973/DAC_inside.JPG
It's not nice, indeed, when you buy a DAC today and next day you have to order a proper power supply from other manufacturer, as the producer is selling his DAC with low quality plastic impulse chinese feeder. In fact - not a power supply, but rather noise supply...



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Chris, we're designing it with the PSU1 (newest version) in mind, and inside the DAC prototype we can already count 8 voltage regulators.
That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote morris_minor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 01 Jun 2012 at 9:54am
Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:

Chris, we're designing it with the PSU1 (newest version) in mind, and inside the DAC prototype we can already count 8 voltage regulators.
This may have been asked before, Graham, so sorry if I'm just repeating something . . .

Do you have any plans to make a power supply capable of powering more than one device? With a DAC, and eventually a pre-amp to add to a setup with potentially a Solo and a phono amp, that's four devices needing power. One "PowerStation" (there, I've branded it for you LOL) to feed the lot would be very useful IMO.
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Accession MC/Enigma, Accession MM, Reflex M, Elevator EXP, Era Gold V
Solo ULDE, Novo, Lautus USB and digital, Libran balanced, CuSat50
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I currently use at home:
1. Monarchy Audio NM24
2. Red Wine Isabella with both the NOS and the 24/192

At work a HLLY DAC 24/96.
Miguel
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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

 One "PowerStation" (there, I've branded it for you LOL) to feed the lot would be very useful IMO.
That thought had occurred to me as well, and if it also had two higher-voltage outputs for the proprius, it could be sold as an upgrade in two stages, single and a pair, and perhaps even making a higher-power version of the proprius possible?

(especially relevant now it seems that the proprius is going to be a big hit!)
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It cost frayed nerves and £10,000.00 to get the PSU1 through the safety approvals process. I don't know what other manufacturers do, but we've to be very careful not to change things too much or we'd be paying £10K at every turn. It's OK if £10K is loose change but it's a lot of money to us.

For example, we have IEC approval so you'd think we could simply shove say 4 in a big box and wire the mains input to an IEC on the back? Wrong! That constitutes an unapproved mains product that would have to be tested for approval and, yes, you guessed it, another £10K please!

By the looks of it other UK/EU manufacturers just shove a CE mark on their power supplies/equipment with built in power supplies and that's that. Somehow they can get away selling such gear world-wide, but somehow we can't. Mysterious isn't it?

Perhaps there's somebody out there who maybe wants us off the scene? I know of one who stirred the brown stuff, causing me to have to go through the process in the first place. But you see, he, like the others, is a rich guy, and I'm not. Ever heard of the glass ceiling? You now know who controls it - the rich guys!
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