Copyright © 1998
Cadman Enterprises Ltd
Welcome to the Graham Slee Audio Products Owners Forum Open to all owners plus those contemplating the purchase of a Graham Slee HiFi System Components audio product and wishing to use this forum's loaner program: join here (Rules on posting can be found here) This website along with trade marks Graham Slee and HiFi System Components are owned by Cadman Enterprises Ltd |
Torroid Transformer Hum |
Post Reply | Page <1234> |
Author | |
BackinBlack
Senior Member Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Hinton, N'hants Status: Offline Points: 2020 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
I'm surprised that an encapsulated transformer hums, I'd always associated the encapsulated ones with 12V halogen lighting transformers intended for mounting in ceilings or similar locations where hum would be very noticeable.
I've used quite a few "ordinary" power toroids 300 and 160VA, none of which hum noticeably. They are all mounted on the supplied rubber pads and bolted down with the large steel washers to either steel, copper or plastic bases. My thoughts were the same as Geoff's, transformer upside down; but then I looked at the manufacturers data and saw the hex recess inferring that it should be mounted wires down. I wonder if a compliant mounting would solve the problem? Perhaps try unbolting or slackening the transformer bolt will reduce the hum. It could just be a mechanical resonance. The apparent reduction of hum with the extension lead is curious and perhaps misleading. Can't ignore the possibility that the transformer isn't properly potted and therefore faulty. |
|
Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
|
|
peterb
Senior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2017 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks Ian,
Prior to this version I had an naked one and its hum drove me to upgrade to this one. The original was mounted using a rubber disc on the bottom, but I will add this mod to the list of 'things to try'. I am beginning to think my problems lie with the house wiring but I could be grasping at straws! I checked the neutral to earth today and read ~150mV AC at the Amp. whereas the Neutral at the Consumer unit was negligible. That could just be pickup in the wires however. I'll keep testing Peter
|
|
Peter
--------------------------------------- Dual 505-1, Cyrus CD T, DIY 80W MosFet amp and PreAmp, 2xKEF 103.2 |
|
BackinBlack
Senior Member Joined: 05 Feb 2012 Location: Hinton, N'hants Status: Offline Points: 2020 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Hi Peter,
As you're probably aware for the majority of UK domestic supplies the Neutral is bonded to Earth (TN-C-S) at the point of supply, so the 0mV reading at the consumer unit is to be expected ( and confirms TN-C-S earthing arrangement. As you surmise the 150mV reading away from the consumer unit is due to volt drop in the neutral combined with a little induced voltage in the earth. It does seem that the most likely culprit is DC on the mains causing the tranformer to hum, have you measured this? |
|
Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it.
|
|
Richardl60
Senior Member Joined: 04 Nov 2014 Location: Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 1468 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Is it worth trying a different unrelated amp? If it still does it suggests wiring otherwise of not maybe the electronics you are using or how it is interfacing with your house?
|
|
peterb
Senior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2017 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks Ian and Richard.
I haven't tried to measure the DC on the Mains, not sure how to do that safely? My previous amp (Hood 30W) worked in exactly the same place, had a conventional trafo which didn't hum, but there was a hum from the speakers !?? Peter
|
|
Peter
--------------------------------------- Dual 505-1, Cyrus CD T, DIY 80W MosFet amp and PreAmp, 2xKEF 103.2 |
|
Graham Slee
Admin Group Retired Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 16298 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
DC on the mains is really an AC datum offset with distortion, in which you would have more volts on one cycle and fewer on the opposite cycle. I think the article I directed you to has an illustration of the resulting waveform, and to display it safely on your 'scope would require an isolating transformer, or simply take it from your torriodal with some resistance "padding", ensuring it is within the range your 'scope can do.
The "DC mains filters" found online may not have sufficient "diode latitude" to correct it. The diodes protect the big electrolytics against excess ripple which would burn them out. Maybe the capacitor values don't need to be so large? Much will depend on the VA rating of your transformer. 10uF would give -3dB into a 160VA loaded transformer, so 100uF should work, BUT that would need to be a film capacitor to be able to avoid the use of diodes. The problem here is that such a device if it exists, would cost a small fortune. Personally speaking, I would use several mains rated polyester capacitors in parallel to make up a suitable value and give it a try, but I cannot advise anybody to do the same because of the dangers involved (that's my disclaimer). |
|
That none should be able to buy or sell without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
|
|
peterb
Senior Member Joined: 02 Feb 2017 Location: Cornwall Status: Offline Points: 332 |
Post Options
Thanks(0)
|
Thanks for your input Graham.
My scope input is ok up to 200V with 10 divisions available. Would a 20V/div scale show the level of DC I am looking for? There is a scale multiplier but I am unsure if that is just visual or actual sensitivity.
|
|
Peter
--------------------------------------- Dual 505-1, Cyrus CD T, DIY 80W MosFet amp and PreAmp, 2xKEF 103.2 |
|
Post Reply | Page <1234> |
Tweet
|
Forum Jump | Forum Permissions You cannot post new topics in this forum You cannot reply to topics in this forum You cannot delete your posts in this forum You cannot edit your posts in this forum You cannot create polls in this forum You cannot vote in polls in this forum |