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The end of the road for Stereo
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If it's any consolation to you "old fogeys" here, the general superficiality of my younger generation is why I have often gravitated towards interacting with older, more educated people who aren't glued to smartphones 24/7. My parents must wonder why I've always been single. Take a look at the fake young society nowadays and it should be quite obvious why.
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I still say if you wont true stereo you need two speakers at a certain distance apart it doesn't matter how good these one box speakers are it is not pure stereo all they doing is fooling the brain into thinking it is. Don't get me wrong I've heard some vary good Bluetooth speakers even the one box one's "has I call them" have been good but only for background or for get together with friends. What I'm saying is, if the recording studio thinks all this computer or microchip trickery is all that is needed then why go to the expensive of recording in stereo. This is just my opinion.
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I find the cycle interesting. Mono then stereo and quad (Two speakers good, four speakers better) for music. I'm unconvinced by surround sound hifi despite having a good AV system.

When I'm working or hobbying on the kitchen table I'm not in the lounge sweet spot. I can see how mono or a compact soundbar appeals to many for casual listening.

I've been in Richer Sounds a few times in recent weeks and there weren't many young customers, that is under 30's.
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Originally posted by Ash Ash wrote:

If it's any consolation to you "old fogeys" here, the general superficiality of my younger generation is why I have often gravitated towards interacting with older, more educated people who aren't glued to smartphones 24/7. My parents must wonder why I've always been single. Take a look at the fake young society nowadays and it should be quite obvious why.

I do feel sorry for the youf's being split into Blairs' middle and lower class system this past 25 years. In 1969 the USSY tried similar by splitting age groups as well as ability groups, but me and SWMBO are proof it didn't work.

Originally posted by discrete badger discrete badger wrote:

My Galaxy S9 has stereo speakers. The 3D effect is pretty good in the nearfield.

I find what I look for in a two channel system hard to explain, but I'll have a try.

I will call it landscape for the want of a better word. An orchestra goes left to right as well as front to back, and sometimes its stage is ramped. The A and B channels should only be able to do left, right and middle, but in analogue, phase is unescapable. An artist painting a landscape might, through technique, be able to give an impression of 3D on a flat canvas. Phase is able to project an illusion that has distance, height and width, to give a musical landscape, or as some have said, the atmosphere of the hall or the ambience of the venue.

These are the the things I want to hear and have been the things I've concentrated on, starting as a hobbyist, building and researching my own audio electronics (I suppose working in electronics at the same time helped), and then making my own career out of it this last 20 or so years.

I found in trying to get my message across, I was fighting against alternatives. I never wanted a fight, but long ago it seems that PRAT was eroding the interest in the stereo illusion, it being replaced by muscle, a sort of sound gymnasium. I fail to understand why. Was it because the very things which lead to recreating the stereo illusion were not understood? "OK marketing department, we can't do the trick but we can do the muscle. Come up with some clever advertising."

Skip to the present, and the Galaxy now has stereo speakers, with a 3D effect. Does it project these audible images I spent a good half of my life chasing? I'm going to answer that with a great big NO. And you'll not convince me otherwise.

If nobody gets the point, then it collapses back to me being that hobbyist, having worked for what?
That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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I use the speaker in my LG V30+ smartphone to enjoy video game music compositions and piano when away from my equipment. It is nice to not have to listen with headphones, although that is just convenience. I actually bought this phone for its quad-DAC, whatever that means. Will be the last time I buy a phone for sound performance though, as I leave my headphone in my room (for obvious reasons) and can use a phone as a network controller for my computer-based hifi.
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For me it's the suspension of disbelief, that I'm in the studio or the auditorium with the musicians, that appeals to me most about stereo. I put on a record in search of this magic lantern effect as often as i do to just hear the music. I might wonder if this 'audiophile' tendency has robbed me of the ability to enjoy the music intrinsically, but I enjoy both aspects of the experience equally, in different ways. I think part of the reason we are able to connect emotionally with reproduced music is because the stereo illusion enlivens our innate sense of wonder. 

I'm delighted to hear records are being collected and kept unplayed like comic books because I hope when that market inevitably becomes saturated a lot of those records will reach the used market and do something to correct the crazy price of vinyl. I bought most of my records at car boot sales in the golden age of vinyl buying from the late eighties into the nineties when cd meant records were suddenly very unfashionable and everyone was ditching the black discs. Car boot and jumble sales then were a meander from cardboard box to cardboard box full of all kind of amazing records, for pennies. There was a similar event with CD more recently when mp3+ effectively replaced it.

It does take decent equipment to produce a convincing stereo illusion, but it doesn't have to break the bank, and there is a great joy in ownership of very focused equipment that just works really well.
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I am a music lover. I will put up with a lesser quality sound if it means I can listen to music.
Of course, my main system is not too shabby, and I have spent time building a system that gives me the illusion of a 3D sound scape, with sounds coming from beyond the limits of the speakers.

The digital side is now very satisfying, but the analogue just notches it up a level in my opinion.
It is amazing what can be achieved by dragging a rock through a lumpy bit of plastic.
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