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    Posted: 04 Feb 2013 at 12:08pm
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I am considering buying a new computer for my HiFi gears. However, most computers are equipped with a switched power supply. What is your experience and knowledge about this? Do the switched power supplies degrade sound quality from a computer.

Many small form factor PC:s are equipped with an external power supply, but the MAC-mini, which in some other respects is a nice alternative, has the power supply built into the computer. Is this worse than a separate power supply? If this is a problem, i e the switched power supplies, what is the alternative?  

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I can't answer your question, but after reading another post on here a day or two ago I read about Amarra HiFi from Sonic Studio.  They obviously rate the Mac Mini very highly for Hi Fi use.  The FAQs make interesting reading.  http://www.sonicstudio.com/amarra/amarrafaq.html
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Yes, but if you are selling a (very expensive) music player software for MAC, you can´t introduce switching power supplies as a problem, since all MAC.s do have switched power supplies. What computer to run Amarra from if there are no really good MAC:s out there. 
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I would make the suggestion that virtually all general purpose computers will have switch mode power supplies, many folk address the issue of PSU noise at the point of taking the audio out of the PC by using specialist USB audio interfaces or the like - the whole topic is vast and the options many.

My view being that the best that can be done if a dedicated music PC is required is to avoid it being on the same circuit as the rest of the hifi (for the same reason any external audio equipment having an SMPS is also powered from a separate distribution point to the rest of the gear) - I suspect that SMPS feed "noise" back into the mains - not sure how technically correct that is, but do seem to recall being satisfied that it was beneficial to separate the supplies some years ago though most of my SMPS devices are now supplied by linear supplies (computers excepted).

Personally, all my CDs have been stored digitally on my everyday PC on a mirrored raid array and I feed my DAC via a firewire connected audio interface or via coaxial cable from the built-in soundcard (addin soundcard not onboard sound chip).

It is not perhaps the quality I could get with more fooling around, though quite acceptable and serves the convenience requirement very well.   Living in a not over large apartment, cable runs and separate rooms are not an issue for me.

I do think that in the matter of getting good sound from a computer setup, the PC power supply is of relatively little consequence relative to other parts of the chain.

Don't know if any of this will help but perhaps it will.

Edit - just noted from your other post you like MpD - perhaps look up a device called an Auraliti might be just what you are looking for.




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Yes, you are right. Most every computer do have switched supplies. But with a laptop you have normally the option to use the battery.
I think there are two different issues related to the computers power supply. First the "risk" of having the other parts of the system "polluted" by the computers power-supply. This could, as you suggest, be solved if you keep the computer isolated from the rest of the system. That would indicate that optical SPDIF (Tosslink) is the way to go, or to use a converter of some sort that isolate between the computer and the rest of the system.
Second. I don´t know, but I wonder if a switched power-supply in a computer induce jitter into the digital audio signal going out from the computer. Again, will a laptop running on batteries provide for a less jitter prone signal? And, is there a possibility to exchange the switched power-supply for a linear? Anyone who has tried that path?
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Originally posted by Humboldt Humboldt wrote:

. . .  but the MAC-mini, which in some other respects is a nice alternative, has the power supply built into the computer. 
Have they changed the Mini then? My three year old Mac Mini has a power brick built into the power lead. Having opened the Mini up to fit a SSD last year (best upgrade ever!!) I can't imagine where the room to fit a built in supply would come from? Confused
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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

Originally posted by Humboldt Humboldt wrote:

. . .  but the MAC-mini, which in some other respects is a nice alternative, has the power supply built into the computer. 
Have they changed the Mini then? My three year old Mac Mini has a power brick built into the power lead. Having opened the Mini up to fit a SSD last year (best upgrade ever!!) I can't imagine where the room to fit a built in supply would come from? Confused

Yes, they have changed the MAC mini. It used to come with an external power supply, but now it is built into the computer. http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/06/17/mac_mini_tear_down/

It is like a Mini Morris. You can´t believe there is room for a driver and passengers inside Wink


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