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SRG II Part 2
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Received the the SRG II today from less and it's already connected up and warming.

I will be comparing it with my Green Solo with my ATH-A900 phones and if it arrives on time the pair of Grado 1000i headphones that I am bound to win in this months HiFi Choice competition. LOL
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Originally posted by jonclancy jonclancy wrote:

So, the 10:1 ratio is not applicable here. 


Two points...

1] Your time is obviously free, as it is with all DIY - it's what makes DIY so attractive, but the sad fact is that DIY isn't attractive or big enough to eak out a living for anybody providing it: hence the disappearence of one kit provider (you may recall) and the likes of Maplin becoming a "toy shop" (Rapid rapidly heading down that same road) and the demise of the UK DIY Electronics Press (all de-facto)

You earn your living elsewhere in a big business - we earn our living making the Solo and other items in cramped and much less attractive (and freezing right now) conditions.

2] To bring people what they want, a company has to earn money. How otherwise could it be done? And we are not talking massive money on the scale of Richard Branson's empire, but sufficient to pay a reasonable wage to an R&D engineer (much less than many of our customers), a production engineer and an assistant, which this company only just scrapes in a year.

We can offer much - much more to the DIY'er than what we see from all the threads of the world's forums.

But having been to rock-bottom once, I can tell you, that would be impossible to do on £20 quid a week (as it was a few years ago), because for all my enthusiasm, it had to be spent on food at the Netto! Not components, paper, packaging and post.

It is OK for the fortunate to preach from their freely hosted free forum software (let the reader understand) and damn our name publicly - we have no defense - we, as you know, have tried to bring people the best there is.

If I can quote (or mis-quote), without the support "Rock will eat itself"

Edited by Graham Slee - 20 Dec 2009 at 6:03pm
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I couldn't agree more, Graham.  The ratio I mentioned is indicative, and I hope the reasons behind it are obvious to our readers (pay, R&D, taxes, advertising, et. al.).

More later...

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PS, Why are you up so early??  Or not yet gone to your bed.......Dead
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Originally posted by jonclancy jonclancy wrote:

PS, Why are you up so early??  Or not yet gone to your bed.......Dead


With wisdom cometh age. With age cometh dilapidation of the soul. With dilapidation cometh the unwelcome early awakening. Ouch
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Wanted to give you all my point of view as a not DIY.
 
DIY is great if you actually know what you're doing. If you have to buy all components separately and build the unit, you have to make sure that every component does exactly what you want it to do. It's not hard to imagine that you have to buy some components a couple of times from different manufacturers just to get what you want. So in the end the sum of all the DIY HA components may be cheaper then a solo, but the sum of all components to actually get to the final DIY HA may result in a lot more money than the solo ever was.
 
Of course, if you do DIY audio I'm sure that you regard it as a hobby and you don't mind that it might some extra money. This is ofcourse not valid if you follow a predefined HA build plan of some sort.
 
Fee free to give me your opinion on my opinion Wink
 
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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:

Originally posted by jonclancy jonclancy wrote:

PS, Why are you up so early??  Or not yet gone to your bed.......Dead


With wisdom cometh age. With age cometh dilapidation of the soul. With dilapidation cometh the unwelcome early awakening. Ouch


Now that's no fun - no wonder sleep deprivation is used as a torture!

To just re-iterate, my 10:1 is a blunt tool, no doubt.  Out of interest, scroll down to Flatcap in this link.  Not much in the case, but many would argue is worth every penny due to the pleasure derived from the upgrade.

http://www.synthese-hifi.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=3023&sid=ceff15ab89379ccbc4af0679f86092e0

For me, I'd DIY that.

However, as I stated before, the ratio does not apply to the SRGII and the SC HA.  If you look at the version I was using, it cost me the larger part of the SRGII cost.  And I stand by what I said when I thought the SRGII with switcher was good value.  It is.  (And in this case, the ratio was around 1.5:1, for what it's worth!).

I can see your point about DIYing dying, from a commercial point of view, but, Graham, you've already started to address that problem with the DAK Novo.  Consensus is that it is a professional, well thought out, and good value product.  This community supports those DIYers (both experienced and fledgling) and I hope more will be encouraged to have a go themselves.  In the DAK Novo, much of what could be left to chance, as Fidel IT mentions, is sorted out.  No worries about spec, parts, design, asthetics etc.  All that stuff comes in the box(es).

This is a community that is encourages interaction between manufacturer and customer.  The fact you have a Beta programme is one example of that; another is that you encourage us to bounce ideas of you.  All of this is, IMO, in the true spirit of DIYing and spreading a greater understanding of audio electronics.  No losers here.

Offering kits, hot-mods, and maybe even custom builds, is a way of engaging with your customers and bouncing ideas around.  Feedback from all these sources Customers, testers, forums) will help shape the next generation of products.  Yes, core business is core busines, but an "on the side" skunkworks wouldn't be detrimental if the legwork is done by the community.  Might be a bomb technically, but it would be a bit of fun, and would hopefully foster a bit of the DIY spirit that we want to preserve.

Hope that all makes sense, and is taken in the spirit it was meant - been a long day here, too.

Cheers

Jon
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