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Originally posted by discrete badger discrete badger wrote:

Similar thing happened with my subwoofer which allegedly has a "imperfection in the finish" which I have not been able to find.

The cynic in me suspects that these deals are less about minor imperfections and more about the simple fact that different people are prepared to pay different amounts for the same thing!

Ohhh I agree with that  Clap 

I'm torn at the mo my buddy lives in the USA and the PS1000's are $1600 over there so I could get those shipped over with other stuff I ship on a regular basis,but I've just done the G cushion upgrade on the PS500's and they do sound good to my ears anyway.

The problem really is demo's you can't get side by side demo's of headphones it seem's, is this because if they were side by side some £200 headphones would be soooo close to the £1000 ones that the expensive big margin ones wouldn't sell? I guess all you can do is eventually buy them and if it doesn't work out sell them on Grados all seem to make reasonable money on ebay..

The whole reason I've bought the Solo ULDE is because of the demo I had a few months back.
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Originally posted by Bradders Bradders wrote:

The problem really is demo's you can't get side by side demo's of headphones it seem's, is this because if they were side by side some £200 headphones would be soooo close to the £1000 ones that the expensive big margin ones wouldn't sell?


And that is why I simply ask that you take care with what you buy... Geek Many expensive headphones are not true-to-the-recording in how they represent frequencies. I just don't see the point of such headphones... Gold-plated turds... It's like saying that music isn't good enough without being heavily modified in tonality or that a girlfriend's face is only acceptable when caked in thick layers of make-up. =/ Just my view but I am very pro-truth. That £200 mark is generally the threshold for near maximum resolution with a dynamic headphone, although some headphones are just overpriced for what they offer, even in this price region. The Grado PS1000 is a dynamic headphone; it's on the ears and it will NOT image like speakers. I don't see the point of going "all-out" with money if the final product will STILL have shortcomings.

Just trying to be honest, that's all. =/


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I think every piece of hifi kit will have shortcomings if you view it as a means of reproducing live performance or studio playback, or whatever you hope to achieve. The skill lies in choosing the shortcomings that have the least impact on your enjoyment. And monetary value is often entirely disconnected from this, IMO. One mans audio nirvana is the next mans piece of over-priced mediocrity.

Thank goodness for GSP - for both great VFM and the chance to try-before-you-buy.
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Its a fair point.Its one that plagues me am I listening to whats right? OR then again does it matter as long as I like it?
The Solo demo was great beacuse 1. I had a lot of time to make a decision and get use to it. 2. I knew after that time exactly what the changes were and they are ,in my mind worth the money.

The G cushion mod  to the PS500's gives them clarity but loses bass. The L cushions, they come with, now seem to drown the voices with bass and instruments can vertaully disappear.Its shocked me to be quite honest. I thought I would need a whole new headphone set to achieve that!
Looking at the frequency responses of the PS500 and PS1000 I wouldn't be surprised if the PS500 with G cushion isn't real close to the PS1000 in many areas now.

I wonder how good the HD250 talks about are when compared to the PS500 without demo I guess I'll never know...
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Gah, this is frustrating... After I get all my headphone spending back, I need to make some overall profit so that I can donate a "best" HD540II free-of-charge to the UK loan scheme. Only then will people be able to hear for themselves how much can be achieved with so little... =/


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Call me a cynical and grumpy ol' git, but I reckon most the hifi industry survives these days because of the lack of demonstration facilities. Pay for a few good reviews, troll the forums, and let the cash roll in. The Bosefication of hifi rolls on ....
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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

Call me a cynical and grumpy ol' git


Okay Wink


Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

but I reckon most the hifi industry survives these days because of the lack of demonstration facilities.


I agree. The only way to efficiently sell a product that demonstrates very little real capability is to target the uneducated with "the bullcrap of Satan" and provide a lack of demonstration facilities, to ensure that the consumer remains uneducated.
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