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Suggs
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Posted: 06 May 2013 at 12:24pm |
I used to have exactly the same problems when I lived in London. Tried a few different power conditioners and filters, all of which did as much harm as good to the music. Eventually I tried a PS Audio Power Plant which is effectively a re-generator of the mains electricity supplier. I found that this device worked brilliantly, removing all the mains nasties at no audible (to me anyway) cost to the sound of the system and I have subsequently upgraded twice as their newer, more advanced, products have been launched. Now I live in the backwoods of rural France, the need for consistent mains supply is even greater. Although I suspect that I am not suffering from noise caused by neighbours electrical devices, the voltage here can vary by up to 30volts on a typical winters day, whereas the output of the Power Plant is never much more then + or - 2v. Not once have I felt that my system was performing under-par. Strongly recommended. |
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suede
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Posted: 06 May 2013 at 5:13pm |
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That's great advice Derek, thanks! I really must check out this Audio Power Plant thing. Seems like just the thing I need.
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Posted: 06 May 2013 at 10:02pm |
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It seems crazy to have to go to the trouble of turning noisy a.c. into d.c. and then back into a.c. for it ultimately to be turned back into d.c... Maybe there's a gap in the market for Graham to market rechargeable battery packs as an alternative to his standard power supplies... His kit already has d.c. jacks after all...
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BackinBlack
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 9:28am |
James, I think I have to agree that there are too many conversion processes. Doesn't the problem lie in the design of the equipments' integral power supplies? It would seem that many are designed as fairly simple transformer/rectifier/capacitor systems with perhaps a handful of simple regulators to provide specific outputs for "sensitive" circuit sections. Even a "good" SMPS can provide cleaner power than many of the power supplies found in supposed HiFi kit. The use of batteries has been adopted by some manufacturers, but there is evidence that even batteries have a higher noise floor than a well designed convential regulated power supply. So, is the answer to use better power supplies rather than easing the job a lesser power supply has to do by spending inordinate sums on power conditioners? I'm sure others will have differing opinions!! Ian |
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suede
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Posted: 07 May 2013 at 10:08pm |
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Being an absolute layman here I must point out, I always reckoned a good transformer/power supply like the PSU1 for example is as "neutral" as possible. Converting clean untampered AC power to just as clean DC, unhindered by unnecessary filters or such, but at the same time being just as susceptible to pick up nasties in the power that's being fed to it. Is this a wrong assumption?
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BackinBlack
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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 7:33am |
The critical thing is good design and components. This includes not only circuit design, but details such as layout and grounding arrangements. Many seem to rely on just large numbers or values of capacitors (often "boutique" type), the sledgehammer approach; rather than use a relatively simple but effective CRC or even CLC to provide filtering followed by a regulator to give voltage stability. The PSU1 demonstrates how a good power supply should be, achieved through good design. |
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Posted: 08 May 2013 at 10:07pm |
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I agree with Ian about good PSU design being crucial. This thread is working me towards mains regeneration.
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Jon
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