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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fatmangolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2013 at 10:08pm
Not at all, I am grateful to you for checking I wasn't about to make an expensive mistake.

Two qualifications on my last post:
1) I hadn't tried the Y lead idea so I had a ground loop in there, and
2) My LCD-2's are relatively insensitive so my Solo UL was probably drawing more current from the PSU1 than most headphones would need.

On balance I think you'd probably be fine sharing one PSU1 to start with. You could try a loan one later on to see if it improved the sound.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote jrhughes Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 29 Jun 2013 at 11:41pm
Please post when you've tried out the Reflex + Elevator on one PSU1 as I, for one, would be very interested to hear your opinions. Personally, I'm not bothered about ground lifts, etc. because I would rarely be swapping cartridges around on that system.

The current demand from the PSU1 was one of the things I was concerned about initially. Normally, when running just one unit (I have one for my RM and another for my Solo ULDE) the PSU1 feels ever so slightly warm to the touch. I'd have thought that, when split between two units, a current demand that's approaching the maximum would make the PSU1 run warmer, but it doesn't seem to, even after lots of playing. Slightly reassuring (maybe) but then I don't know what the current demands of the various units are cf. the 200mA that the PSU1 can deliver.

The RM is now back in the main system, where it is best suited at the moment. Incidentally, whilst it was in the secondary system with the Novo earlier, I couldn't help a quick swap out of the Novo for my Solo ULDE. Big mistake Big smile
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Graham Slee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 30 Jun 2013 at 7:39am
The PSU1 is rated at 200mA on a technicality.

The transformer is 12VA. At its 23VAC out it should do a constant 520mA.

However, the CB test house insisted that so much of its secondary 12VA is used in its primary magnetisation current. Confused

The magnetisation current is around 30mA on the primary (Far Eastern units are nearer 60mA due to the use of inferior steel).

30mA on the primary translates to 300mA on the secondary (this being a 230VAC:23VAC transformer).

Therefore there is only 220mA left!

By the same standardisation (that's IEC 60950 by the way), Far East units get the same certification but are allowed to rate theirs at 500mA, and sometimes as much as 750mA!

It seems their magnetisation current is different to our magnetisation current.

I always thought it odd that two or more standards could exist in the same standard and pestered the European test house for an answer. Although having paid dearly for their services the test engineer simply stopped replying to my calls and emails...

We also had trouble with the Canadian standards people who wanted to strip the PSU1 of the standard they gave it. The test house would not reply on that either.

There was also an argument on the difference in melting point between British and Far Eastern ABS....

I suppose the boiling point of water is different in the far east too!!!

The PSU1 is limited to what it can do by its input fuse. It had to be rated at 63mA because British ABS melts and Far Eastern ABS doesn't....

The magnetisation current cannot be always guaranteed to be bang on 30mA, although in most cases it is - being made of superior and expensive British transformer steel -  so we had to say (or it was suggested we had to say) it was higher at 40mA.

63mA - 40mA = 23mA and by transformer ratio that equates to 230mA.

At 230mA the input fuse would open. Rating it at 200mA gives a margin to keep the fuse intact.

It doesn't take much brain to work out from the above that 100 watt stereo amplifiers should have 500 watt transformers - but they don't...

So am I surprised the PSU1 doesn't get any warmer when loaded up by two units? No.

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Thanks Graham. That's some interesting background.

I hope you understand that the purpose of splitting the PSU1 is one of convenience and not to intentionally deprive you of a sale. OK, perhaps less on the leccy bill too - since I could potentially have five of the things constantly on at some point in the future. Better to have two or three, but only if that doesn't put a strain on the PSU1 and/or alter things sonically so as to negate the advantage of the PSU1 over SMPS in the first place. It seems we're saying that neither of these is a concern in reality. Cheers,

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Don't worry about the sale! Use a Cusat50 or Lautus so you get a good earth return and one PSU1 can do the two jobs!
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Lucabeer Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 11:06am
Been using the newly arrived Reflex and the Solo with the same PSU1 in the exact configuration suggested here: PSU1 going into the Reflex, and "+" cable splitting to the Solo. Ground return provided by signal cable shielding.

I can confirm total absence of ground loops or hum, and that it sounds great.

PSU1 seems to be handling it well, and stays at a moderate temperature (I would say 40 degrees, no higher than 45, juding empirically with the hand on top of it).


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CageyH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 21 Feb 2014 at 5:45pm
I have a different issue - three PSU1's for two units.
I just need to save some cash for my third silver box.
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