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I can add to all this that there is a niche Australian brand of processor which I have used since 2012, maybe Tony G knows of them - its' main purpose is to anechoically calibrate your own speakers (recommended outdoors, raised above any potential reflections, using the amplifiers that will drive them in your own system), then repeat the process at the listening chair. It's also a pre amp and DAC but the Majestic will take over much of that 
 
It runs a complex algorythm with multiple rising frequency sweeps, ajusting the phase and timing of 'thousands of' frequency groups' (to quote them) so that they all arrive on time for each speaker/driver group to replicate the flat response originally calibrated outside
 
A final indoor-with-microphone tweak to manually time align separately positioned components (ie mains, various subs) at the listening position, with very subtle room equalisation completely removes the room effect from any speaker in any room (the original cynic in me tried it with 3 sets of speakers, one set in 3 different sized/shaped rooms: each room ended up sounding virtually identical which I found absolutely staggering)
 
It does not sound remotely 'digital' and I guess removing the damage done to your speakers by the room is why it is so clear, smooth and analogue sounding. I used to use Shahinian Obelisks & the original response graph taken using a mic at the chair looked like a map of the Himalayas. After calibrating, the same measurement was flat +/- 3db from 16hz (subs to 100hz) all the way to 20khz. Open Baffle speakers take things further as there are no cabinet resonances either and transients are really fast and realistic. These replaced the Shahinians
 
I agree about subwoofers (& like Bobs earlier comment about continuous tweaking, it drove me mad and why I investigated what I have now). My twin subs are acoustically 'invisible' and have been for two years, that was not the case before. I now listen to music, real sounding performances, not a system, nor a room !
 
I know from experience that this setup would actually work in Ash's small room. Unfortunately it is pretty expensive though


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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Ash Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 6:07pm
Originally posted by Drewan77 Drewan77 wrote:

I know from experience that this setup would actually work in Ash's small room. Unfortunately it is pretty expensive though
 
It's already expensive... Tongue I don't care anymore. Teach me, my master. LOL
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 Now that really wouldn't be fair Ash. I was 54 before I got to this level ! At your age, my hi-fi was far inferior to what you have now,  you lucky young beggar  Wink LOL
 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote ICL1P Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 26 Feb 2014 at 7:39pm
Andrew, how good a job do you think this would do? http://www.dspeaker.com/en/products/20-dual-core.shtml
It would be a much cheaper option than yours, but still a lot more than should allow Ash to spend.

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So Andrew, I guess I should start researching "open baffle single driver" speakers...

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No Ash I'm afraid it isn't that simple - my OB speakers only work because of the processor which addresses what I actually hear in the listening environment.  OB speakers in themselves will not deal with room nodes etc
 
The processor compensates for all those different wavelengths that Graham refers to but in an extremely sophisticated manner, ensuring that everything arrives at your head correctly in phase and delaying the fastest frequencies to the speed of the slowest. It really does work.
 
(Ifor, I am not sure you have given the correct link but there are several other systems that address similar issues, some are software based using a PC, others using mini-dsp. I did a lot of research in 2011 & listened to many of these but this seemed the best available and certainly the most versatile and wide ranging)
 
I am actually a bit uncomfortable banging on about this on the GSP forum but to finish off - a poor room (every room?) really does its best to destroy even the best system we put together using traditional means. I am lucky that at the click of a remote I can turn all the processing off and hear whatever speakers are connected just as they were designed* so I don't have to imagine all this - it is immediate and frankly quite shocking
 
*not the OBs, the ribbon tweeters would immediately explode without passive crossovers !


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Thanks Andrew. My earlier post is now updated with the correct link.
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