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Long Interconnects or long Speaker cables?

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I'm considering whether it's better to use mono block amps close to speakers or close to pre-amp. The distance between the furthest speaker and preamp is about 4.5m, so either the speaker cables would have to be about 4m, with 0.5m interconnect or vice versa.
Current set up uses longer speaker cables.
Has anyone experience of the situation with long interconnects?
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30 metres or thereabouts on an install. It had to negotiate a route from a racks room to the auditorium, up to the suspended ceiling, inside the ceiling to the other side and then down the wall to the left hand speaker. I did use a 250 watt per channel amp and 2.5mm² cable.

It would have been better having an amp nearer/on the speaker and balanced signal cabling as should always be used in these situations but for the lack of a power outlet and a rather trimmed budget by the client.
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Hi Ian,
When I had the Proprius amps on demo I noted that so they can be used near/attached to speakers and because they have balanced connections the length of cable was not an issue unlike unbalanced connections. How much of an issue unbalanced connections are with long cable runs I do not know but I was always under the impression that the shorter the run, the better.
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I'd set the limit for unbalanced interconnects at 5 metres and then only if they were low capacitance and really well shielded.

Long speaker cables, because they're transmitting power (but often less than you'd think) absorb some of that power. Low impedance such as 4 Ohms will come of worst compared to higher impedance like the 11 Ohm LS3/5A.

In theatre or live band performances you'll always find 'snakes' which are multiple bundles of balanced cables which serve two purposes: 1] to reduce losses and 2] reduce interference.

Often the professional will use 600 Ohm balanced rather than the usual unspecified balanced of hi-fi. I'm designing my balanced drivers to do 600 Ohms and the balanced out card option used on Reflex and Revelation phono amps is 600 Ohm compatible.

The Proprius can be used in a 600 Ohm system by incorporating a 600 Ohm resistor in the XLR plug between pin 2 and 3.


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Quote .....the balanced out card option used on Reflex and Revelation phono amps....

This is an interesting tidbit I had not noticed mentioned elsewhere yet ?



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Originally posted by tg tg wrote:

Quote .....the balanced out card option used on Reflex and Revelation phono amps....

This is an interesting tidbit I had not noticed mentioned elsewhere yet ?

 

Hi tg, It had been on the website but I must have lost it when I redid the website last year.

I'd been toying with the idea of doing a straight forward single ended to balanced box, but had shied away from it because of others 'having ago' about  having "another power supply to contend with".

I can still do it. I could call it a 'dompro' (I used to work for a place who used to make the same but called it a 'prodom' since it converts domestic to professional)

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Thanks all for the input. I tried the Proprii on loan some time ago, but wasn't able to try them close coupled to the speakers; I'm sure it would have been even more impressive. In an ideal world (ie finances permitting) I would foresee an Aria pre-amp with balanced interconnects driving a pair of Proprii attached to the speakers.
In the meantime I am trying to get the best from my existing mono block amps and the dilemma is whether to invest in Interconnects or Speaker cable. My amps have SE and balanced inputs, but my pre-amp has only SE outputs. My speakers are Dynaudio Geminis which are nominal 4 Ohm, but do dip down to only 3 Ohm.
As I was thinking, it seems the best solution is to close couple the amps to the speakers and use balanced interconnects - all I need is the balanced interconnects and and an SE to balanced buffer to drive them. For now I shall try SE interconnects, before deciding on the next move.
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