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HD greedsters - it ain't rock'n'roll old chum
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I like that the HD Vinyl process uses CAD, and onto a much more durable material than traditionally used.
10,000 pressing out of a stamper with no degradation is very impressive, and a complete lack of toxic chemical process in stamper production is very desirable.
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Reading about the "traditional stamper" you'd think the sound quality would be dreadful. I can assure you my old records didn't have a digital master. They must therefore sound rubbish by comparison with the digitised version. And what about all the de-essing?

What I don't "get" is if digital is so wonderful, then why go to all the trouble to make "perfect" vinyl records? The reproduction technology is still as backward as the traditional stamper, isn't it?
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Thanks All.
I do don't think we will be seeing it anytime soon.
I'm happy with the sound I'm getting from my "old way" records. AT the moment.
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Digital can still be wonderful at the same time as using new ideas to try to improve a legacy playback technology that a lot of people very much enjoy listening to. I don't see a conflict here; both have their place.
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I have some pretty spectacular sounding LPs made using the traditional process too, but using CAD driven lathes for making the pressing plates makes sense, for consistency's sake if nothing else.

I have a number of recent albums that were recorded, mixed and mastered digitally, and eventually made it to vinyl release, and they bring something of their own to the table.
There is a certain je ne sais quoi they have from vinyl playback.
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OK, I could understand digitally mastered vinyl before we had the equipment to reproduce digital files satisfactorily at home.

But for the last 15 years or so, we've had the ability to play digitally mastered music, without the need for all these inter-stage processes, and obtain great results - especially with the more "human" digital and analogue filters.

So why these days make vinyl records at all, unless the only master available is analogue? (I can accept that). But to add all the extra hurdles makes absolutely no sense - and, yes, I know I earn a living selling phono stages, but come on!

Oh, and don't be taken in by "non-toxic" and "eco-friendly" because you'll show your ignorance. How do you think vinyl is made? It is made using gas!!! Its manufacturing process liberates CO2 to the atmosphere - and other chemicals of which some are toxic (although, being a gardener, I like CO2 because it makes my veggies grow).

I treasure my vinyl, but since the availability of well-made digital recordings (yes, even 16 bit), and the electronics which can reproduce them really well, then my only "eco-crime" is the same as everybody's - COAL!

(I guess ex of the mining industry engineers have to be seen as cloth cap wearers and belittled, or we could make others believe in the laws of thermodynamics - their god forbid!)



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