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Topic: Bass Robbing Mats!Posted: 12 Apr 2009 at 2:21am |
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Maybe it's my ears but "felt" or "slip" mats are not my "cup of tea"
For me they take away some of the bass - perhaps it's only 1/2 dB but it's there to my ears. If you take the foundation away it's bound to be top heavy or "toppy" and that's what I find with felt mats. A thick rubber mat does bass much better IMO. In fact, before all this Hi-Fi-Fo-Fum stuff all the turntable mats I ever knew of were rubber. Makes me wonder why felt mats were introduced? Maybe amps or preamps were so dull in them days? But now with much more involving electronics available?... maybe that's why some people end up with too much top? What I cannot do is cheat the RIAA curve to make up for these felt mats - I have to do the response as dead-flat as I can (within 0.3dB end to end which usually means less than 0.2dB error for everything that's audible and I don't mean plus or minus 0.2dB either because that's 0.4dB) - but when I do, the felt mats I have always make vinyl sound top-end heavy. So if your vinyl front end sounds a bit toppy try your local gaskets and packings supplier for an offcut of 4 to 6 mm Neoprene rubber, and make yourself a proper mat. |
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Posted: 19 Apr 2009 at 1:01am |
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I could be mistaken here but IIRC felt mats were largely an instigation of one manufacturer producing a TT often noted to have a "bass bloom" and another using a glass platter with a tendency to "ring". Virtually all the DD and idler drive manufacturers seem to have used rubber, although economics, durability and a need to dampen the "ringing" of metal platters will also have played a part. I have seen recommendations of a cork/neoprene gasket material being made also. That said, my own trials of a number of mats and combinations indicated a tendency for them to affect the sound rather as one would expect from their various materials. I have also noted that the record/platter interface is part of an entire resonant system that includes the TT feet, support stand, cartridge/arm, arm/plinth and even (for MC) the cartridge loading. Changes to any of these interfaces can affect the effects of other parts of the system, eg some mats will sound good used with one support system but not so with another. Much opportunity for tweaking here |
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Posted: 25 Apr 2009 at 4:51am |
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On my Pro-Ject RPM4 record player I use a Clearaudio "Vinyl Harmo-nicer" mat which is made of pure vinyl. Is that a good material for a turntable mat? They claim it is becaue it has identical "speed probagation" as an ordinary LP. They also advertise that using this mat will give a more "Dynamic, authentic and balanced" sound together with higher definition.
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Posted: 25 Apr 2009 at 5:13pm |
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Does your experience of that mat bear out those claims ? Have you compared it to any other materials/mats ? IIRC you have been having issues with over brightness - IME harder materials will often have a "harder" (and more detailed/defined) and brighter sound than softer, more resilient ones. Perhaps some mat experimentation is in order. Many materials have been tried to good effect on different tables/platters at different times and include vinyl, special composition (Funk Achromat), graphite, leather, lead, various foams, silicone, patent treated steel sheet (SDS), cork, bitumen sheet and of course felt and basic black (rubber) - I rather like the characteristics of the funk on the 2 tables I have tried it on, on an acrylic platter on one and over a 2mm silicone mat on an alloy platter on the other. |
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Posted: 26 Apr 2009 at 11:14pm |
Unfortunately I can not say anything specific about the sound influence of this particular mat, because I only have the standard felt mat to compare with, that came with the record player. It would also not be a proper comparison since I only used the felt mat for a few weeks and that was with a different cartridge and phono stage. All I can say is that apart from the brightness I hear in most of my rock records, I am mostly satisfied with the overall sound of my LP playback system. |
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