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    Posted: 16 Dec 2014 at 1:21am
There is "gspaudio.co.uk >> Products >> DACs & ADCs" but no A/D converters yet and I was curious if there are any coming... Let me share some of my research on A/D converters. I ended up looking at the following models:

1. Mytek stereo96 $800 (up to 96KHz; 16-24bit)
2. Mytek stereo192 $1200 (up to 192KHz; 24bit only)
3. Benchmark ADC1 USB $1800 (USB up to 96KHz; digital output up to 192)
4. P.S. Audio NuWave Phono Converter $1900 (+phonostage; up to 384KHz :)

The first two (by Mytek) have S/PDIF and Toslink output only, and it turned out very difficult to send the digital output to a computer! Most, if not all, recent motherboard do not have digital inputs; external soundcards with digital inputs such as Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi HD USB are severely brain-dead windows-only (not even mac!) [well, some part of it works on linux, but not the digital input]; even current mac powerbooks dropped their support for Toslink input (mac mini models still seem to sport a digital input, though). Known ways out:
A. Someone suggested a great option to use a digital recorder (TASCAM DR-100) to record onto a CF card. $200.
B. The USB Phono Plus from ART allegedly sends TOSLINK >> USB without proprietary drivers, but according to its manual this is limited to 16/48KHz.
C. The BEST option must be to use the UX1 Sabre USB DAC S/PDIF to USB 2.0 converter from HiFimeDIY.
This seems to be the only piece of the kind; it DOES work without any proprietary drivers (I tried it under Linux), sending up to 24/96KHz from Toslink to USB.
The good thing about Mytek is that it is 110/220V mains switchable.

Benchmark ADC1 and NuWave Phono converters both have USB output, usable without drivers; there is some interesting information about these two models at www.audiomisc.co.uk/HFN/ADC/HighQualityADCs.html
There, NuWave's A/D converter loses in comparison to Benchmark, and also its phono stage has been harshly criticized at analogplanet.com
so probably NuWave Phono is not worth the premium (well yes I simply do not like its looks:).

Returning to the subject, are A/D converters going to make it to the product list? Besides the quality, the features which I would enjoy are
1. USB output without need for extra drivers;
2. up to 24/192KHz;
3. 110/220 mains...

UPDATE: When I finished writing what would be my first post, I made another search... and found Graham Slee's remark, I think I once promised myself that I would only do three digital products: two are done and the ADC was number three, but by the time I find time to do it, it will be completely out of date.
So I got my answer... but I will post anyways in case someone is on a market for an ADC, and also hopefully I'd learn more about A/D conversion :)

Edited by bakastra - 16 Dec 2014 at 9:07am
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Furutech makes a GT 40 for both ADC and DAC purposes. Priced about $500 CDN.
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Originally posted by bakastra bakastra wrote:


UPDATE: When I finished writing what would be my first post, I made another search... and found Graham Slee's remark, I think I once promised myself that I would only do three digital products: two are done and the ADC was number three, but by the time I find time to do it, it will be completely out of date.
So I got my answer... but I will post anyways in case someone is on a market for an ADC, and hopefully to learn about better ADC models :)

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I am not criticizing, only hoping to give you a "heads up" as your last sentence is on the border of...

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I apologize, this post had no intention to promote anything, it was only an attempt to sketch what looks to me as a rather gloomy situation on the market of A/D converters. I would love to see a no-thrills high-quality 24/96 converter with USB output and as a by-product to hear what people here have to say on encoding analog signal...

Bruce, I give in: if Graham Slee does not have an A/D converter in the plans, I am inviting a discussion of someone else's products... Full stop.
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@bakastra,

like you I have spent some time in trying to find a decent ADC for vinyl digitisation.

I have also looked at some of the units you mention.

I did like the look and reputation of the Mytek but it seemed to require addition of their DAC to be able to provide either USB or Firewire connection/transfer to a computer.  Not a cheap option.

I have tended to like firewire connected devices, they often will run on Windows, Mac & Linux and have appropriate drivers for so doing.

As a resolution and hardware upgrade from my previous 24/96 soundcards, I settled on an M-audio Profire 610.  Not overly expensive and from my experience so far, quite an acceptable level of performance.

I run my Revelation phono stage into this and connect one pair of line outs to my preamp.

The S/PDIF connects to my DAC.

This allows me to preview the recorded signal through my main system whilst recording should I so choose.  Either from the line-out as a signal pass through, or via the DAC to immediately guage the conversion effects.

This device works under Windows, Mac OSX and will, I think, work with Ubuntu Studio 12 LTS.

There is no comparable GSP product at this stage so I do not feel this discussion out of order.

Naturally our host may wish to differ.



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@Roussilon, @tg, thank you very much!

Indeed, both devices seem to be usable, and usable with linux, but no matter how much I enjoy excellent inexpensive stuff I find it hard to believe that these things would be anywhere close to Revelation phono stage (and that's what I am going to use as well :)

As to firewire, just like Toslink and S/PDIF, it seems harder to find on newer breeds of computers; compatibility-wise, digital recording via USB seems the way to go (at least for the home recording).
I wonder if HDMI input might be used for this purpose..

In any case, I think that the ADC market seriously lacks a decent $1k device.
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I would also like to see GSP release an ADC, for faithful recording/preservation of analogue audio.
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