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physios
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Topic: Directional cablesPosted: 03 Nov 2023 at 11:18am |
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Good morning, I've got a curiosity. My hifi system has all sources (CD player, DAC, phono preamp) without the earth connection. The amplifier, on the other hand, has the earth connection to which the chassis is connected (and there is electrical continuity also with the ground of the RCA sockets. I use unbalanced (RCA) directional signal cables, where the shielding is connected to the ground only on the source side (microphone cable type: two wire plus shield). My question is this: with the amplifier being the only piece of equipment connected to earth, does it make sense to place the cables with the shield connected from the amplifier side, rather than from the source?
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 4:05pm |
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Which way sounds better to you? If you can I would connect the shielding to ground at both ends of the cable.
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 8:38pm |
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I didn't try to reverse the direction. I wondered if there was an electrical explanation that favored one direction over another. If I connected the shield at both ends, wouldn't there be a risk of forming an antenna? Because the ground runs through both the internal wire and the shielding... or not?
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Posted: 03 Nov 2023 at 9:25pm |
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Unless the shield is connected to ground at both ends it is as good as useless in actually providing RF shielding, but it might make a good antenna. Directionality, however, is a widely accepted characteristic of cables. You may hear a difference on reversing the cable direction. It's worth reading Grahams' blog and comments at the foot of the cables page, both can be found on the Tabs at the top of this page. Happy Listening (and reading) Ian
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 8:53am |
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I look at cable directionality in the same way as a piece of iron being magnetised by being put in a coil of wire and subjected to high voltage/current. It can permanently alter the dipole orientation in the metal leading to the potential for a slight bias in signal direction. I reckon it may subtly affect the timing of the signal rather than affecting the magnitude of the signal and the amount of bias is probably depedent on the frequency of signal being propagated. I say this because you can connect it either way around and it works fine; you'd measure the same voltages/currents either way but music signals are rapidly changing AC waveforms, not DC, so if there are any slight phase/timing shifts, it may be discernable after extended listening. Would be interesting if such a suggestion could actually be objectively measured with scientific apparatus.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 12:24pm |
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Thanks for your answers. I thought that some difference could be generated due to the shielding connected only on one side; therefore it would appear that the directionality is at a level of electrical transmission at the level of the individual conductor, rather than the type of construction of the complete cable. This is very interesting.
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Posted: 04 Nov 2023 at 2:46pm |
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It's common for the shield on studio cables to be connected to ground at one end only, a practice employed to eliminate ground loops. I've spent a fair proportion of my career on HF transmitter sites working with the BBC and VoA; audio cabling in the control room is often grounded at one end. The cables often run in close proximity to 500kW transmitters with no ill effects, so you should have no worries about the efficiency of the shield if connected in this manner. By convention, the cable end closest to the audio matrix is grounded.
I have a couple of van den Hul cables which are grounded at one end only — the manual advocates connecting the ground at the signal source side. If the sources in your system are not connected to ground then you're unlikely to have ground loop issues, so it shouldn't matter if your cables are grounded at both ends or only one. However, I'd suggest connecting the grounded end to the (grounded) amplifier to provide a ground path for the shield. If it's connected the other way around, in best case, the shield won't be doing very much and, in the worst case, could act as a parasitic element. I have no idea if this is something that you will hear. As for directionality, I've tried swapping cables around but have yet to notice a difference. - james
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