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Tonearm Resonance

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    Posted: 10 Oct 2022 at 3:36pm
Sometimes I think ignorance bliss, or so it seems with my tonearm resonance learning curve.
A few months ago I found how easy it is to use Audacity to analyse the frequency spectrum of a recording. I wondered whether using this tool I might be able to 'see' the difference in recordings between an original and remaster, just as a matter of fun. I started with a track that I have in original and remastered vinyl, Led Zep II. It's easy to generate spectrum plots, as below.
Original


Remaster


It might not be easy to see here but an 'old school' comparison by printing and overlaying the two plots does show clear differences, particularly over 6MHz. Ref to Graham's question about the aged hearing of the mixer?
Taking it a bit further, I wondered how different the vinyl would be to a different format, cd or streaming.  The same remastered track selection from Qobuz  is remarkably similar to the vinyl
Qobuz


Except for the big lump below 30Hz on the vinyl!.  This got me thinking and researching before 'discovering' I'm actually measuring the tonearm resonance. A simple and pretty accurate process.  With more research I learnt more about the relationship between cartridge compliance, weight and tonearm characteristics.  All wisdom suggested to resonance should be between 8-12Hz although some expand this to 6-14Hz as being OK. With this in mind I measured my other cartridges, most  (Technics EPC-205C and A&R P66) came out as 8Hz but my prefered Victor U-2 measured 6.5Hz. Does this make any real difference?  I couldn't see a way to alter the resonance frequency but found suggestions that a fluid damper (KAB  for my Technics deck) can lower the resonance amplitude. In for a penny...I thought I might try one, everyone says they are beneficial. The result from the spectrum plot showed a small reduction on amplitude of 3dB ( I.e. resonance hump 12dB lower than 60Hz peak whereas before it was 9dB lower).  So a reduction but not massive improvement, although there are other benefits.
Remaster with KAB Damper


Anyway, the basis point of this long post is to question whether the tonearm resonance causes harm. It's below any audible frequency. I don't see any speaker (or sub) trying to reproduce such low frequency but is the amp wasting power (energy) handling these frequencies? Would it be better to have a high pass filter at 20Hz to remove the rumble?

As I say, sometimes learning just highlights one's lack of knowledge.





Edited by Mikeh - 10 Oct 2022 at 4:05pm
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If you can get the Voxengo Curve EQ plugin (free trial available) to work with Audacity on your computer, it is much better for comparing more than one mastering than using the built in analyzer. You can overlay more than one file and level match them.

See an example here:


Re: tonearm resonance, I personally use a cart/tonearm combo that measures (close enough for hobbyist, no lab measured) around 7Hz and don't really have many problems. I do have a silicone tonearm damper installed also.

If you go to Ortofon's site, they updated their recommended range vs. what they recommended before. They now say going down to 7Hz or so is okay.

https://www.ortofon.com/support/support-hifi/resonance-frequency

Main thing I would do is observe the cartridge tracking. If the suspension isn't bouncing all over the place and mistracking then the combo may be okay. Low frequency feedback that is audible would be another thing to look/listen for.

Certain brands of carts may be able to handle a low RF better than others. I won't say the name but there is one brand that is known to "dance" while tracking across the record if the tonearm and cart aren't well matched or very well damped because the suspension design of the cartridge doesn't have as much damping as other brands.



Edited by patientot - 10 Oct 2022 at 8:15pm
SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM610 MONO, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges.
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