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Frequency Response Comparisons

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    Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 6:58am
Good morning all,

A comment made in another thread has inspired me to start this one as the question has been in the back of my mind for some time.

Based on the fact that this forum has my most trusted opinions, what are your thoughts on specialist(?) websites like the ones below that test/review via the actual frequency response rather than subjective listening?

I, like many on here, have very little faith in mainstream reviews but in my recent search for new headphones, I have come across a few websites who appear to base their "reviews" on facts rather than who buys the most advertisement space... I would appreciate your thoughts:


Thanks,


Tim


P.S. By including Inner Fidelity's WoF, I am of course inviting your opinion on Tyll's views. He was held as an authority on all things headphones but it is hard to try models on there to compare.

P.P.S. There was another [outdated] website which list headphones on their tested frequency response only and simply showed the score on a sliding scale of sound characteristics rather than rating. The HD540 performed extremely highly and interestingly, very few headphones (maybe around 5?) could compare. Of that shortlist, I briefly demo'd the Beyerdynamic DT990 recently and it seemed like a very close match... I will however be demoing further when I find another shop to visit. Sadly however that website no longer exists.


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At the end of the day, InnerFidelity is just journalism. Don't take it too seriously. The HD650 and LCD-2 have both been on the Hall of Fame... I think there is "specification bias" in some of the choices, rather than real world ability. I'm not wasting any more money to find out the hard way.

Frequency response is only part of the whole story; headphone fit, construction, phase response, moving mass, impulse response etc etc all have importance in its overall ability. Then there is that the human ear does not have equal sensitivity to all the audible frequencies.

Ultimately, it is best to find a centre ground between being educated/informed and perpetuating the same dogma of limited truth.
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Aussie Mick Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 10:29am
I mostly agree with Ash about there being more variables. The other key variable for me is personal taste. Flat frequency response is an interesting goal, but what if you don’t like it? Same for other measurables. I also don’t want to be in the position of thinking, “that measures perfectly, so I’ll believe it’s perfect”. I know that’s not what you’re saying, but hopefully you see my point. 
Reviews are journalism (sometimes poor journalism!), but I know that some of them seem to share my preferences. That can be handy. 
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I tend to find hi-fi quite tiresome and boring to read about; just like Brexit. Wink I can tolerate it in small doses.

I think this is because it is difficult to find "real" reviews that provide a good balance of objectivity and subjectivity. Journalism tends to take over and sometimes makes a simple judgement convoluted, unnecessary and unhelpful to those that ideally wish to reach a simplified and logical conclusion.

I guess you can draw comparison with politics again and ask "what makes a fair society?" and everyone gives a different answer. ....

Going back to when I bought up a load of HD540II to sell on, part of the reason I did that was that I wanted to bring some common sense back to the way people view hi-fi. Could I even recognise high fidelity if it was right in front of me, slapping me in the face or was I as clueless as a layman? Did my customers have the same expectations of "high fidelity"? Was a flat frequency response appreciated as a prerequisite for high fidelity reproduction? My 540II were a bit of a test of that, of whether my choice was a sensible choice that did what I said it would do. Feedback was generally positive so I guess I had the right idea. I guess preference of headphone sound characteristic was ultimately decided by the mixing/mastering of the preferred listening material.
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My issue with 100% subjective reviews of anything is that they seldom discuss everything I want to know. Often they read like paid ad copy to me. 

Nowadays I do spend more time looking at specs and measurements before buying anything but it's not the sole determining factor in a purchase. Features, budget, practicality, and how it will work with the other equipment I already own are also major factors in my decision-making. 
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (2) Thanks(2)   Quote Drewan77 Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 16 Nov 2019 at 10:41pm
As well as being in agreement with the other responses above, I will add that although my system has an in-room flat frequency response, without adjustment this results in a sterile presentation (room with solid walls/floor, acoustically treated + sophisticated DSP).

Adding a gentle boost to mid-low frequencies sounds far more engaging and realistic without losing impact or cleanness of the bass. Although the change is quite subtle, the difference in musicality and enjoyment is significant (even though a purist would say this has added some colouration).

Therefore I believe that reviews & measurements are only pointers towards decisions that need to be made by demoing and listening, preferably in the setup that's going to be used.  
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If anyone wants to read some interesting stuff on frequency response check research done by Sean Olive and Harman. 
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