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DaveG
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Topic: Room TreatmentPosted: 11 Apr 2016 at 7:04pm |
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This is something I've been meaning to do for ages as I've long believed that the room/speaker interaction is probably the single most influential factor on the sound of your system...any system. Just moving my speakers a foot or so can completely change the soundstage. Ask a pro engineer about cables, stands and other upgrades much touted in the hi-fi press & they will say get your room right first. It's a subject that, while acknowledged occasionally, rarely gets column inches. Doesn't sell the expensive kit they are there to advert...err sorry.. review, I suppose. Obviously properly treating a room isn't always viable in the home, where the "better half" might have something to say about you filling up the living room with diffusers & absorbers. You're lucky if you can sneak a half decent set of speakers past the guards let alone cables & stands and other "complete wastes of money". But I'm lucky enough to have a dedicated room now. The downside is that it's fairly small & square and I'm forced to sit about a metre from the rear wall. Less than ideal to say the least. However I've been slowly working at it. I've had quite a bit of
experience of recording studios in the past and my job now sometimes
involves doing fit out in theatres and broadcasting studios. We don't
do the acoustic design, but we do manufacture to the acoustic spec.
So I try to glean some knowledge. I've also taken some advice and
read a bit on t'internet. Also (IMO) some of the stuff available doesn't look too bad, we use similar (but too expensive for me) things in my day job, doing ultra high end corporate fit out. A far cry from eggcrates stapled to the wall. Does anyone else here go the extra mile? Any tips? Edited by DaveG - 11 Apr 2016 at 7:12pm |
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Dave
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Fatmangolf
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Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 9:58pm |
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My set up is pretty close to what you described Dave. As you'll know from the studios too much wideband absorption will remove the mid/treble and just leave the bass. I've also got wide band traps over the speakers and ceiling 1st reflection.
I agree with the rear wall trapping, I sit about 1.5m out from the rear wall so it helps! Positioning of the absorption and diffusion is everything. |
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Jon
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DaveG
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Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 10:45pm |
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I agree Jon, I definitely don't want to overdo things. The diffusers I'm going to use are supposed to not absorb too much, rather to delay or scatter the reflections so that they don't arrive at the listening position too close in time to the direct sound. I'm told the human brain does a pretty good job of sorting this out anyway and this should just help that process.
It was actually recommended by the people I'm getting the panels from that I put wide band traps at ceiling reflection points too, but I haven't ordered these yet. |
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Dave
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Ash
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Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 10:50pm |
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In my experience with smaller rooms and speakers, a wooden box enclosure adds a lot of audible room interactions/reflections and humps the upper bass too. It's why I hated speakers for so long, thinking that speakers in a box were the only speakers to choose from. Fortunately things changed for me thanks to BackInBlack and his mention of high quality speaker drivers. Now I've found how to minimize re-radiation signature, which always used to spoil the music for me.
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Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 10:55pm |
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Aside from limited budget I am certain that this is the biggest problem with my setup. It is also a problem that I have no idea how to fix. My amp and speaker combo sounded jaw dropping in the Richer Sounds auditioning room. They sounded open and airy with beautiful clear treble and taught precise base. But at home they just sound pretty good, plenty of clarity but nowhere near the levels I heard before. The bass also seems heavier and less precise. I have tried to work out why and it pretty much has to be the acoustics of the room. I bought the same speaker stands that they were using. They plugged the unit directly into a wall socket in a dilapidated 1970s single-storey shop while I am using at least a budget filtering system. And my cables are the same brand but higher quality than the ones they used.
Owing to space constraints my hifi pretty much has to live in a cabinet, but I don't think that has that big an impact on the sound. I may be wrong about that though. I had thought about lining the cabinet with soundproofing foam. This may give you the impression that I have no idea what I am doing. You would be right ![]() I think the main problem though is that the only place that I can fit the speakers into the room is right in front of a row of bookcases. If I move them any further out I am going to trip over them. I have already tripped over them once where they are. If I can't change the layout then some sort of treatment would be the next logical step. Any suggestions on what I could do to fix this issue would be greatly appreciated. Either way I will keep an eye on this thread in the hope I might pick something up.
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Ash
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Posted: 11 Apr 2016 at 11:51pm |
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For me as an individual, I decided that the most logical thing to do was to buy top quality drivers first then afterwards build a box/baffle to best suit the room they are used in. Having the freedom to DIY the speaker enclosure means you can remove layers of complexity and tailor the sound to your taste, having a speaker that can sound great in any type/size of room depending on how you apply it. It also teaches you what design aspects cause particular audible problems as you have the freedom to experiment and compare designs.
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DaveG
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Posted: 12 Apr 2016 at 12:17am |
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Have you read any of Siegfried Linkwitz' stuff Ash? I'd have thought this would be right up your street. I read an interview with him a while back that I found interesting so followed up with a visit to http://www.linkwitzlab.com/
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Dave
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