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180g,200g,45rpm,180HQ vinyl etc

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    Posted: 27 Feb 2012 at 10:41pm
Please can someone explain to me why I should get or look for any of these in albums? Or is it just marketing to try and get people to part with their money? Sorry if this is a dumb question? Thanks
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Well, yes - the money aspect is undoubtedly true! But in the main these "audiophile" issues do sound good. At least the ones I have do - maybe I've just been lucky.

I think its down to the care with which they're mastered and pressed. To do it right is time consuming, and time costs money. Add in the short production runs, and costs have to be recovered from the sales of fewer units.

Vinyl heavier than 120gm is - I believe - less prone to warping. 200gm discs have their own issues, though: it maybe that their very thickness puts your VTA out. It's my impression that there are less 200gm issues around these days and that 180 is the norm for "heavy" vinyl.

Care taken in production should mean that surfaces are whisper quiet; I've generally found that to be true. Given a good recording in the first place and good mastering, these issues can sound truly outstanding.

45rpm issues benefit from a higher velocity under the stylus which can translate into a greater dynamic range. I splashed out a while ago on a Classic Records 12" single of "The Look Of Love" by Dusty Springfield from Casino Royal. It had the song on both sides, one at 33 one at 45. The 33 side was very good, but the 45 side had additional presence; the song was not one of high dynamic contrast but the sound was perceptibly more "solid", if that makes sense.

The "quality" production usually extends to the sleeve as well - with thick card being used in most cases, and proper antistatic inners.

Recent issues I've got are from Music-on-Vinyl - The Best of Sade double album, and Eve by the Alan Parsons Project. Both sound splendid.

These issues certainly aren't cheap. I restrict myself to only a handful each year, and I do a rip of them to my music server immediately in 94/24 to act as a casual play and a backup should the disc become damaged.

So - not a dumb question Frostg! But the ultimate answer, like most of hi-fi, has to be "listen for yourself" as only you can determine if its worth the cost. Classic Records, Speakers Corner, Music-on-Vinyl etc probably put out something you'd like, why not give one a go?
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I've actually had a few duds from Music-on-vinyl. Two Sam Cooke records that sound compressed and loud in the very same way the CD issues I have do, leading me to think that they've just transferred a standard redbook CD resolution source to vinyl. Thumbs Down
My advice is to look for half speed mastered issues, they usually sound very good. Or just try to find a mint condition original copy?
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Originally posted by suede suede wrote:

I've actually had a few duds from Music-on-vinyl. Two Sam Cooke records that sound compressed and loud in the very same way the CD issues I have do, leading me to think that they've just transferred a standard redbook CD resolution source to vinyl. Thumbs Down
My advice is to look for half speed mastered issues, they usually sound very good. Or just try to find a mint condition original copy?

Ah - not good! It seems I was lucky with my Music on Vinyl issues. Some magazines (H-Fi+ for example) do review "audiophile" vinyl. In so far as you can trust any magazine review, these could give a guide to sound quality.

When they first came out I bought a half-speed mastered Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab issue of the Previn-EMI Carmina Burana: that was (is) a fantastic LP to play.

Then there was a vogue for direct-to-disc issues. I only ever bought one - some Mozart from the Toronto CO under Boyd Neel on Umbrella Records. A strange disc - a rather close and boxy recording, very clear though, and a pretty underwhelming performance that I put down to the stress of a one-take lacquer cut. It was kind of going back to Emile Berliner et al !
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Agreed, a poor master won't sound better on vinyl.

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Thankzs all for your comments. And I know I need to trust my ears, but where I live there is not an abundant source of vinyl, so it has to be ordered in for me. So I just wanted to know a good starting point. Thanks all.
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Check this out:  http://qualityrecordpressings.com/index.cfm?go=articles
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