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UKMach
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Topic: Location of fronts and neighboursPosted: 01 Oct 2014 at 3:56pm |
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Hello all.
Havnt been on in while, nice to be back and despite my MA GX100 being a right off from an accident and an insurance claim later everything is alright. We are just about to move into a new rented property which is semi-detached. Next door is a 6 month old baby which I do not want to distrub with my music/films when its sleeping. My understaning being that babys sleep a lot. The main listening room is a rectangle with one of the smaller planes connected to thier (im guessing livingroom) My question is, what would be quieter for them: 1) The fronts, sub and center close to the wall that they are connected to, but firing away from them or 2) The fronts, sub and center on the opposite wall to them, but yet firing towards thier direction. Now I would love to go around to thier place with a decibel monitor to see for myself but I think they may find that a little intrusive. My thinking is the sub will be the bigger omni directional problem so best to have it farther away but just wanted to see what peoples thoughts were. Edited by UKMach - 05 Oct 2014 at 8:46pm |
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CageyH
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 4:13pm |
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Have a chat to your newneighbours.
Tell them about your concerns and let them know that if it is too loud, tell you and you'll turn it down. I would suggest that the sub should be as far away from the joint wall as possible, and with the speakers fairing way from the wall will help, but the overall sound pressure level is what will annoy the neighbours. |
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Kevin
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Graham Slee
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 5:51pm |
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Thank you for being considerate to your neighbours. Most houses were built when we had half watt transistor or 1 watt valve radio. Prior to that people had pianos and they built houses with thicker walls, and filled joints with mortar!
Today's semi's and "town houses" are built of crap which supposedly passed some stupid building regulation for noise THAT DOESN'T WORK (sorry for shouting). Having been forced to move home due to noisy neighbours (rather than buying a thousand watt PA rig and starting WWIII), I understand how neighbours feel. You could always try to insulate the party wall studio fashion... and loft, sub floor, between floor cavities, and fringing walls. |
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marshmid
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 8:13pm |
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Darren: Here is my experience - no easy solutions, I'm afraid.
My wife and I were involved with the design & build of our new house. It is timber framed with blockwork outer walls. We fitted the partition walls using a dense plasterboard and filled cavities with dense rockwool. In my judgement this didn't produce much improvement. We also laid expensive dense rubber under the underlay & carpet in one bedroom to improve sound from the kitchen below. This didn't do much if anything. What did work was that we built a secondary partition wall which was only attached at the ceiling & floor. The cavity( about 7.5cm was left empty) both walls were filled with rockwool. In total we lost 20cm floorspace from one dimension. This was amazingly successful and prevents noise from the Hi-Fi being heard in the adjacent bedroom. The solution to noise transfer from above/below I believe is similar - construct a 'floating' ceiling about 2-3" below the existing. Special fixings decouple this from the original ceiling. All of the above applies to our timber frame house where, in my experience, most sound transfer is through the wooden joists. We helped build a brilliant house but sound transfer from room to room was a failure except for the room with the secondary wall which a great success. I don't believe there are any magic products, no matter how expensive they are. but decoupling walls works. Sorry for the long ramble but you can probably guess that this failure still annoys me 12 years on. Marsh |
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suede
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 8:15pm |
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I second Graham's notion. Good on you for having the decency of caring for your neighbours' well being UKMach.
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Fatmangolf
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 9:08pm |
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After my horror at the demise of a GX100 (like mine!) my general advice echoes Kevin's, be good neighbours. My semi-detached neighbour and I observe a 10pm curfew on loud music/movies and DIY.
On soundproofing, I'd echo Marsh's advice. Our isolation installs at work are effectively freestanding inner walls (plaster over ply sandwich) and almost air tight. The rockwool fill turns an impact on outer or inner wall into thermal energy to minimise transfer of pressure to the opposing wall. My best example is the spaced quadruple glazing in our nightclub in a town centre hundreds of metres from housing. That uses a floating trim around the cavity, with rockwool behind. Be aware that low bass will be attenuated least and needs significant mass to stop/absorb it. Try to minimise the sub-bass, this may be a time when corner positioning of the subwoofer isn't a good idea. And avoid mounting speakers on the shared/party walls so the opposite wall may be better. Hope this helps. |
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Posted: 01 Oct 2014 at 11:28pm |
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Saw this on the internet, on the subject of noisy and obnoxious neighbours
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