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    Posted: 02 Jun 2013 at 9:32pm
Hello,

Weighing up options for the second TT system I'm building which will, eventually, have a Reflex and a Novo. At the moment the Novo is in but the phono pre is not a GSP one.

I've seen suggestions here (but I can't seem to find any definitive statements right now) that one PSU can drive two units - except when using the Elevator, as that needs its own supply at all times. So, could I buy a PSU1 now for my Novo and then buy a Reflex later on with SMPS but actually power it from the same PSU1 (obviously it would need a splitter adaptor)? Is it ok, a little dodgy or have I completely got the wrong end of the stick?
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I have run a Genera phono stage and Novo (subsequently the Solo UL) from the same PSU1. I made a Y-cable to do this but there will be adaptors available to chain 2 units off one PSU1. It worked alright but I haven't tried your combination i.e. Reflex M plus Novo.

So technically possible but I suspect keeping the PSU1 for one unit and temporarily using the SMPS for the other may give the same or better results...
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Obviously (but then again probably not all that obvious) when building high-end mixing consoles (hi-fi systems with lots of controls) we used the same power supply for multiple stages.

The power supply was a remote one.

However, the power distribution was within the mixing console.

Putting power distribution outside a bunch of equipment does represent a major difference: that of ground loop potential.

To offer a single PSU1 option for multiple devices has often crossed my mind - but how to make it "bullet proof" for non-technical or semi-technical users has, I must admit, been eluding me.

For a power supply to be just a power supply and not to interfere with the equipment's performance requires that all grounds terminate at the source or input.

Where a phono stage is used in conjunction with a headphone amplifier the input is at the phono stage - all grounds when the equipment is suitably connected with an interconnect - an interconnect complying with the protocols of proper and low impedance shielding (as the shield is the ground of the power supply) - point at the phono stage input ground.

That's OK but with a simple Y adaptor cable from the PSU1 there is another ground: the negative or 0 volt wire, which in effect places a direct connection between the headphone amp ground and phono stage ground with a potential somewhere along that connection (the PSU1).

The potential also has to obey the rule of termination to the input (only). By being part way along the connection, the power demands of the headphone amplifier tries to "lift" the ground to a higher potential. Masked by the music, the effect of introducing inaccuracies due to the ground fluctuation may not manifest itself to the listener, but technically it's there.

Therefore, the proper solution should be that the headphone amplifier only gets the positive feed from the PSU1 and not the 0 V feed.

It would pick up its 0 V feed from the interconnect ground which is terminated to the phono stage input (getting complicated and possibly counter-intuitive?) - this being why the interconnect shield has to be the lowest possible impedance - and its ground is coming from the PSU1 via the input ground of the phono stage.

Why would the positive feed not require the same treatment? It would if not for the equipment having its own local voltage regulators terminated to the respective input grounds.

If Jon would like to isolate the ground wire of his Y-cable and give the above a try?

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Fascinating stuff - I'd never have dreamt of doing anything like that. The reason I'm asking is that I already have two PSU1s constantly on the go, which will soon be three once I add an Elevator to my main system (which I gather can't share PSUs). So on the secondary TT system I'd be adding a fourth (Novo or Reflex) and it would be good to avoid a fifth if possible! Of course, I'd only want to do it if it were a) possible, and seems it is, AND b) the shared PSU1 were significantly sonically better than two SMPSs or even one PSU1 and one SMPS. 

Many thanks for the explanation. Looking forward to any news...
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Fatmangolf Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 03 Jun 2013 at 10:22pm
Hi Graham I see what you have in mind and would try it, except I no longer have that setup.
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Originally posted by Fatmangolf Fatmangolf wrote:

Hi Graham I see what you have in mind and would try it, except I no longer have that setup.


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OK, if no-one is in a position to do this I could give it a go when the time comes. So if I understand correctly, I could take a single wire from +ve of the PSU1 plug (at the Reflex power in) and take it to the +ve of a similar plug going to the Novo - and that's it?
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