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DAC/CD advice for new Solo owner

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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote CageyH Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2012 at 11:50am
Thanks guys.
What I am struggling with at the moment is understanding how a digital file stored in a noisy environment on my computer, transferred by WiFi to a player, output to a DAC, then fed to an amp can sound better, or just as good as a dedicated HiFi CD player, either feeding the amp, or going through a DAC first.
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Well, I can only comment from my own point of view of course . . . 

When it leaves the noisy server, the audio is a data stream, not an analogue signal. I think it's mainly a failing of soundcards with analogue outputs that can get compromised close to a computer's circuitry.

As far as CD players go, these use error correction to a greater or lesser extent depending on the state of the disc and the build quality of the player. Free the data from the disc, as in a FLAC file, and you've left behind the error correction circuitry - which will have an effect on the audio long before it actually mutes.

Anecdotally, lots of folk have given up using quite expensive CD players in favour of Squeezeboxes or other streaming devices. A Touch with a linear power supply (say £200), and a good DAC (say £500) can easily compete (IMO) with CD players costing upwards of £2k, maybe more. Even if the costs were exactly the same, the flexibility of file based audio, streaming to multiple devices in many locations (sometimes all sync'd together), with automatic indexing, easy playlist assembly etc to my mind totally outweighs any benefits CDs have. The lack of sleeve notes could be a problem, and I know some people who have the discs stored and the booklets available.

You do have to make sure you back up your music library well, though!  
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cyreg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2012 at 1:04pm
Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

....A Touch with a linear power supply (say £200), and a good DAC (say £500) can easily compete (IMO) with CD players costing upwards of £2k, maybe more......  
 
I cannot believe that Shocked
 
So you would take a CD, for example: Raising Sand from Robert Plant and Alison Krauss...
...you manipulate that CD to give an as good as possible digital copy through hardware and...
...it will sound better or at least the same as when I play that CD on my Cyrus CD8SEQuestion
(played through LFD amp and Harbeth speakers)
 
Of course I am talking only about the soundquality here, not the other "advantages" of use.
Or do you mean something else and I did misunderstand your comment above? Confused Han
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote morris_minor Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2012 at 1:29pm
Well, I haven't heard your Cyrus player, which no doubt is very good .Smile

The only "manipulation" a streaming audio system does is free the data stream from the CD . . . As far as I can see there is no reason why a CD player should sound better than a streaming solution.

I have a pair of active Harbeths, plus a Solo ULDE with 650s and Denon 7000s - so am well able judge quality sound. For me (Tongue) CD playing is history; any new CDs get handled once when ripping then stored.

Your Mileage obviously varies - which is fine . . Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Cyreg Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2012 at 7:38pm
No experience at all with (good quality) streaming, but....Shocked
 
To get best info from a CD you still need a CD-drive at least, plus.....
A lot of those around too with much difference in soundquality.....and...
...not even speaking about the digital cable connection you'll need for transfer.
 
So can you tell me how you do get the right digital stream from your "CD mastersource" to start with?
 
And.... did you ever make a real listeningeffort to give your statement some body, at the least for yourself?
Anybody else who has seriously done this? I am very curious.
 
But than I also went into CDplayers and CD's only after 10 years of existence.
So I am not really a digital addict so to saySmile
 
 


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I understand the advantages of streaming audio, but this really is for a "sit down and listen to" system, as I will have my headphones on. I will be listening in one place. So, for a budget of about £1k, I should be able to get an Audiolab 8200CD (and use the DAC) and a Squeezebox touch?
Best of both worlds....? I get a decent DAC, with a bolt on CD player, or should I just get the DAC, as all CD mechanisms are about the same anyway?
 
As for the argument about which sounds better, where get you get high definition recording for "streamed audio" from? I understand the CD's are often compressed, but if I can't download decent audio, I am stuck with a compressed source.
 
Maybe I should pack all this didgital stuff in, and go back to vinyl! Wink
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Post Options Post Options   Thanks (0) Thanks(0)   Quote Graham Slee Quote  Post ReplyReply Direct Link To This Post Posted: 15 May 2012 at 8:05pm
Originally posted by CageyH CageyH wrote:

Maybe I should pack all this didgital stuff in, and go back to vinyl! Wink


Good man! Wink
That none should be able to park up and enjoy the view without a smartphone and the knowledge in how to use apps
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