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Graham Slee ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 15498 |
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In my experience most of the burn-in is over after about 3-4 weeks but resistors (metal film - the type we use) can take up to 6 months, but that's going to be less noticeable.
http://www.analog.com/library/analogdialogue/archives/39-05/Web_Ch7_final_J.pdf See page 7.13 (page 15 of 166) |
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hotmog ![]() Senior Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 14 Jun 2010 Location: Worcester Park Status: Offline Points: 178 |
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Graham - can you clarify to what extent simply leaving the unit switched on over the required period is sufficient to achieve burn in, or whether a source input signal is also required.
If the latter, will it harm the amp if no headphones are connected? I only ask because I'm sure I remember reading somewhere many years ago that amps could be damaged if they were being driven with the speakers disconnected.
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Graham Slee ![]() Admin Group ![]() ![]() Retired Joined: 11 Jan 2008 Location: South Yorkshire Status: Offline Points: 15498 |
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The unit simply being switched on will do most of what's required as the DC voltages will be on the circuit. The signal (ac voltages) will in a way be there all the time also as all amplifiers produce what is termed as self-noise. Although this is only around -80dB on a Solo or -70dB on a phono stage it has some effect. Normal usage (which I would expect to be regular) in the meantime will apply the intended ac voltages. In the case of all of our designs, every electrolytic capacitor is always "biased on" with charge. Further reading on this subject can be found on the 'net authored by J L Hood who was an "authority" on the use of electrolytic capacitors in audio. Another "authority" on capacitors in audio, and much under-sung is Walt Jung who used to be an Analog Devices development engineer.
All our products are safe to power up without an output (or even an input) being connected. I once had an Amstrad IC2000 Mk.4 amplifier (circa 1972) on which the speakers had to be connected or the amp would burn-out. A friend had the receiver version and disconnected the speakers whilst switched on, which resulted in black smoke from the back of the unit. Obviously this was because of instability, and Mr Sugar is now in the House of Lords - God help us! |
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germanjulian ![]() New Member ![]() Joined: 05 Sep 2010 Location: London Status: Offline Points: 2 |
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Hi,
good to read a bit more about burn in. Even computer processors take a while to burn in and leak less.... only important if you overclock the hell out of them though :) |
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tg [RIP] ![]() Moderator Group ![]() ![]() Joined: 19 Jan 2008 Location: Sydney Status: Offline Points: 1866 |
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Came across the following snippet while pursuing other things - as one does http://www.acoustic-dimension.com/blackgate/techEcap.htm
Goes some way to explaining the behaviour I have observed particularly with the Marantz CDPs I compared in another thread that both use a significant number of Blackgate caps, but also by extension to other electrolytics and explains, to me at least, why well burned in units such as a Solo or Reflex will take some days to arrive in full song after being powered off. I have observed this behaviour in products from other manufacturers also and it suggests that passing a signal will speed the re-settling time to stable performance. |
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Palladio ![]() New Member ![]() ![]() Joined: 06 May 2010 Status: Offline Points: 4 |
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I am using an Ortofon Rondo Blue in an Origin Live Illustrious arm.
I have also recently up-graded my Fanfare 3 to a Reflex C +PSU1. I feel the "C" is now burnt in and settled down and looking to complete the final link. The OL arm is hard wired, so no change of inter-connrct there. However, from the "C" to the amp is a Van den Hul Thunderline (some 15 years old) The big question is........Is the Cusat 50 going to show any improvement? |
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Kasper ![]() Regular ![]() ![]() Joined: 29 Jan 2009 Location: Denmark Status: Offline Points: 58 |
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This was very useful information. A lot of stuff I had no knowledge about. I now also know why it´s good to keep the equipment powered on. Thanks.
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