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Archiving 78s with Revelation

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    Posted: 30 Jan 2010 at 4:28pm
Hi All

I am a new Graham Slee owner and forum member, so apologies if this topic has been covered before or if this post is in the wrong section.

I recently inherited a collection of around 800 78s that belonged to my great uncle and I am looking for some advice on archiving these into digital format on my Mac.

At the heart of my system lies the wonderful Graham Slee MM Revelation with a KAB broadcast standard SL1210 Mk5 as the source, powered through a Roksan Caspian M Series 1 integrated amplifier. I also have an Apple 2.6GHz Intel Core Duo Powerbook.

Would anyone be able to recommend a suitable audio interface and software to compliment this system?

Any advice would be much appreciated.

All the best, Gavin.

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hi gavin

welcome along. there are many audio interfaces available, how much are you looking to spend? would you just want an interface to allow stereo recording and playback or have other features? will you be using the software for archiving/stereo recording only or for other purposes? you also need to think about the sample rate/quality you will record at...44.1khz or higher such as 96khz. with a bit more information i would be happy give some suggestions, i use logic pro with an apogee mini me.

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Hi Alexis

Thanks for your response – much appreciated.

My technical knowledge is rather limited, so I’ll try and answer your questions as best I can. If any of my answers aren’t clear or you need any further info – just let me know.

I guess primarily the audio interface is for stereo recording of the 78s. I don’t anticipate using it for anything else.

The software would be primarily for archiving/stereo recording of the 78s, but it would be great to be able to manipulate the audio once recorded. For example, reducing the surface noise, which I foresee as being one of the biggest issues. Are there plug-ins for Logic Pro that could address this?

Ultimately I would like to end up with a good quality digital file, so I would take your recommendation on things such as sample rate/quality. The 78s themselves are in superb condition and the Revelation is giving excellent reproduction, so what should I aim for here?

As far as budget goes I would be happy to spend around £1,000, although if you have a solution which you feel is particularly appropriate which is a bit more, then I could accommodate.

All the best, Gavin.



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Gavin,

for some info on audio restoration and software that will work on Mac, visit http://www.clickrepair.net/ - his software is written in java and hence cross platform.

I have used and like it.

Presumably you have a suitable mono cartridge for 78 records, if not I might suggest the http://www.joynetmall.com/shop/product_info.php?cPath=60_64_267&products_id=995 AT- Mono3/SP - I have successfully run the LP version on a Technics with good results - the SP has a larger diameter stylus tip specifically for 78 rpm records, although a MC the output is a healthy 1.2 mV and should be OK into the Revelation.

For input, the Terratec DMX 6 fire USB is Mac friendly as are some of the M-Audio firewire products such as the firewire audiophile 24/96.  I use versions of both and run the Reflex output direct into their input (except the odd occasion when the recording is too "hot" and the recording is clipping)

Although you may record in stereo, your recordings will all be mono and a true mono cartridge will output the same signal on both channels.

I have found it worthwhile to record at higher resolution than Redbook CD standard 16/44 and then run any repair/restoration software on the high resolution recording before downsampling to 16/44 to burn to CD.

Even if in very good condition your records will sound better if washed before recording.

Check Rudolf Bruils Soundfountain site http://www.soundfountain.com/ for good info on record cleaning and care and other interesting stuff.

The freeware audio editor Audacity is very capable and available for Mac OSX - I use it for recording and trimming.

A problem with recording LPs is splitting the tracks, with 78s this will not be much of an issue although Audacity is quite up to the job and can be used for that if necessary.

Have fun and do enjoy the music.

T



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for the software it might also be worth checking out soundforge and bias peak. i'm not sure if they also have audio restoration or noise removing features, but waves make a few different plug-ins for restoration.

for the hardware i'm not sure what to suggest as there is so much available! i would recommend recording at 96k/24bit so make sure the interface is able to support this. i have more experience in hi-end converters, however the terratec or m-audio offer good solutions. moving up from this i would have a look at the rme range and the apogee duet. top of the range i would look at benchmark.
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Thanks for all your feedback and the links to the valuable resources - much appreciated.

I have a few questions regarding connecting the Techincs, Revelation and audio interface.

Forgive me if these are pretty basic questions - I am still learning!

When archiving using the AT- Mono3/SP on the Technics – should i run the Revelation in mono mode?

If so, how should I connect the Technics to the Revelation?
At the moment it is L&R phonos to the L&R input on the Revelation.

How should I connect the Revelation to the audio interface?
I appreciate most audio interfaces don't seem to have phono connections.

All the best, Gavin.


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Gavin,

one of the beauties of the AT cartridge is that you connect the wiring exactly as for a stereo cartridge.  Keep it on its own headshell and swap it in as needed.

Do NOT use the Mono switch on the Revelation with this cartridge, treat it as a stereo signal and connect left and right as usual.

Both the interfaces I suggested offer standard RCA socket inputs.

The signal from the Revelation is "line level" and should NOT be connected to a "Phono" input (except in the sense that RCA plugs are sometimes called Phono plugs).

A "Phono" input on an amplifier/preamplifier/recording interface will be intended for direct connection of a turntable output and have an inbuilt RIAA equalisation and preamp section - the Revelation is already already doing all this (and better).

Either connect the Revelation directly to one of the line inputs on the interface or, if your amplifier has a "preamp out" then that can be connected to the interface while the Revelation would be connected to one of the standard line inputs of the amplifier.

This second method, while not my preference, due to increased active circuitry in the path, does allow adjustment of the input level with the preamp volume control.

No change of cabling is required to use the mono cartridge or to change back to a stereo one.

BTW, to get the best performance from this cartridge on the Technics arm, it may be necessary to add mass to the cartridge up to the maximum you can still balance with the counterweight and auxiliary weight.

Afterthought, do be aware that not all products suitable for cleaning LP records (vinyl) are suitable for 78s.  Some may cause damage, particularly if they contain any form of alcohol.




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