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I'd be very interested to hear what people thought was the advantage of LP over CD.
 
To my ears, vinyl had a fuller, fatter, warmer tone on cheaper turntables but as soon as you listen on a higher end T/T, that goes away and vinyl has a similar leaner, faster sound as CD.
 
CD of course scores on rock solid pitch stability and freedom from background noise.
 
I don't hear any extra detail or anything else really from the vinyl.
 
Go on, dust off the CD player, stick the same LP and CD on, balance the levels, switch back and forth and provide a detailed, blow by blow account of where you feel the LP is superior....
 
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Originally posted by stuxter stuxter wrote:

@ analog kid
 
im with you on this one
theres a space on my rack where my cd player used to sit,,,,,, until i re-discovered vinyl
Its not a subtle difference either.
Everyone thats listened to my system now (mostly cd`ites) have sat there with big grins on thier faces, and rushed out to buy the cd`s of whatever vinyl i have played for them,,, i think they are gonna be very disappointed . Wink
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Strange how we all differ Wink
 
I enjoy listening to music, be it CD, vinyl, tape or MP3 player, or radio ( digital or otherwise! ) Big%20smile
 
I don't have a tape player in my home system, but have tape, radio and CD in car.
 
I have 2 sytems in the home, both have turntables and CD players, both sound different and both sound enjoyable LOL
 
However, none of them can match live music, especially with a pint or 2 Wink
 
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when im in the car ill listen to MW radio !!!!!
when im in my hi-fi roomWinkWink with a glass of rioja its LP every time
 
the inner detail of LP will win over the brightness of cd every time
i can look into the soundstage and every instrument is locked into its own space
this is missing on CD
Ive spent many hours and many pounds trying to get cd playback right
with the re-discovery of TT`s and LP everything is right
 
the sound i have now is everything i ever wanted.
 
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Is lobster better than steak ? does it even matter ?
I have LP records of INXS that sound way better than a live concert I went to, where the creature driving the mix desk (right in front of me) was too hammered or deaf to notice or do anything about the fact that he had cranked the midrange speakers into incoherent distortion, I don't mind loud music, I detest loud noise, particularly if I have paid for music.
I have plenty of music on CD that will never be on LP and a halfway decent CDP to play them.
With that, most of the time I would prefer to listen to LPs and not for nostalgia, which is not what it used to be.
"I would prefer" - that is all that matters to me and what you prefer is your business.
Tell me what you prefer by all means, there is no requirement to justify it by "proving it better" - that, to me is irrelevant.
We may, if we wish, amicably discuss what we like, again with no requirement of proof of superiority and in that way enlarge our experience by having others share their preferences.  If you hear a difference and prefer one thing over another, that is fine, I will note that and see if my experience accords with yours should the opportunity arise.
If I hear no difference or prefer differently to you, then that is my experience and as such is not a denial of the truth of your experience, nor does the fact that we differ deny the truth of my experience, both are equally valid and necessary to completeness.
Let us enjoy it all while we may, we will be a long time dead all too soon.
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Now you are talking about something I read about but don't hear.
 
To me when I listen to recorded music (LP or CD), with my eyes closed, the "soundstage" consists of a sense of the music coming from a left to right spread across the room (rather than being emitted from the individual speakers). Sometimes I hear a "special effect" whereby a sound momentarily rings out from extreme left or extreme right. Even less commonly I hear a "depth" special effect where a sound will spring out from in front of or behind the speaklers. But most of the time it's just an amorphous wall of sound. At best it has "spaciousness" that mono lacks but I've never heard any sense that I was listening to a postioned group of musicians where individual instruments occupied a precise position (left-right/back front).  The most impressive "stereo" effect I've heard is on headphones and it was a sense of a singer in a big echoey room. But generally, I just think people who go on about "space" and "position" are just making it up or are drunkSmile...  
 
 
Originally posted by stuxter stuxter wrote:

when im in the car ill listen to MW radio !!!!!
when im in my hi-fi roomWinkWink with a glass of rioja its LP every time
 
the inner detail of LP will win over the brightness of cd every time
i can look into the soundstage and every instrument is locked into its own space
this is missing on CD
Ive spent many hours and many pounds trying to get cd playback right
with the re-discovery of TT`s and LP everything is right
 
the sound i have now is everything i ever wanted.
 
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I'm also perfectly happy listening to LP, CD, computer wav files and MP3 on my home stereo, car or computer.  As far as sound quality is concerned, my opinion is that the recording is the biggest factor not the medium. I have LPs that sound fantastic and LPs that sound awful.  If one is listening to commercial releases, you are completely as the mercy of the recording (tone controls can be useful!).
 
Originally posted by ABPest ABPest wrote:

Strange how we all differ Wink
 
I enjoy listening to music, be it CD, vinyl, tape or MP3 player, or radio ( digital or otherwise! ) Big%20smile
 
I don't have a tape player in my home system, but have tape, radio and CD in car.
 
I have 2 sytems in the home, both have turntables and CD players, both sound different and both sound enjoyable LOL
 
However, none of them can match live music, especially with a pint or 2 Wink
 
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"but I've never heard any sense that I was listening to a postioned group of musicians where individual instruments occupied a precise position (left-right/back front)."
so essentially your equipment is giving you a rather flat soundstage ??
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