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    Posted: 13 Dec 2012 at 1:12pm
Wondering what people's thoughts and experiences are with acoustical room treatments?  I have not yet gone down that path but after upgrades and tweaks to equipment it seems to be the logical next step.
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You'd need a 2 foot mirror and an assistant - a very patient assistant - to find where the reflection points are...

Looks like this enquiry and a recent email means I have to do a blog on the subject...

Will newsletter it when done.

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Thanks K and Graham. There's probbaly a few of who'd find that newsletter really helpful.
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Thought I'd give this a bump as I've finally moved house and my system is now in the living/dining room rather than a study. The new room is approximately 3 times the volume of the study with different wall construction and the sound I'm getting now is almost like I've got a different set of speakers... in some ways good, in other ways bad Confused
 
I'd be interested in knowing if anyone else has had such experiences from moving their gear to a new room or even a new house and what they've done to improve the sound.
 
My experience is as follows:
 
1. The new room doesn't seem to suck out the lower end frequencies, or at least it seems to level things out to some degree. On the whole this is good. The result is that the volume control doesn't need to go as high to obtain useful bass/lower end.
 
2. My relatively powerful amp that I've been pretty happy with seems to need a certain volume level before the top end 'opens out' (can't think of a better word) and details in the music can be heard. Given that the volume control doesn't need to be turned up so much now means that I need to play music a bit louder than is ideal in some circumstances to prevent it sounding a little 'flat'. (Is that what the dreaded 'loudness' control was designed for???)
 
3. The old study, being small, did mean that I listened fairly near-field. I'm sure this improved imaging, though point 4. did mess this up a little. In the new living room I'm listening at a distance of about 9 or 10 feet away and up to this point I haven't managed to position the speakers so that they give a decent stereo image. (Though maybe I'm impatient here, given that I moved 4 days ago and am still unpacking boxes...)
 
4. The old study was in a stone built cottage in a converted room that had relatively thin wooden panelling to hide the stonework. Amusingly (or not) the panelling could be felt to vibrate in sympathy with the music at moderate volume levels... whilst this seemed to emphasise some mid-range frequencies it also made the music sound quite 'lively' and entertaining (!), though perhaps not too accurate... The new living room is typical modern build with plasterboard walls.
 
My conclusions are that I need to play around with the position of the speakers (2-1/2 way floorstanders) and save up for the Proprius monoblocks, once I've sorted the kitchen, bathroom, living room, hallway, second bedroom.... hold on... maybe some of the house upgrades will have to wait Smile. My experience with the monoblocks (when I had them on loan) was that they still sounded good at low volumes (good for point 2), had a decent low end (to make the most of the floorstanders) and would certainly improve stereo imaging.
 
All this maybe of interest to fellow forum members, as I say if anyone has recommendations or has had similar experiences I'd be interested to hear.
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Originally posted by JamesD JamesD wrote:

 My experience with the monoblocks (when I had them on loan) was that they still sounded good at low volumes (good for point 2), had a decent low end (to make the most of the floorstanders) and would certainly improve stereo imaging.
 
All this maybe of interest to fellow forum members, as I say if anyone has recommendations or has had similar experiences I'd be interested to hear.
This is a timely reminder, James, that a listening room is a key part of the overall performance of a stereo system! And unless you have the luxury of a dedicated room, it's always a compromise . . . and items like corner bass traps don't always have a high WAF Embarrassed.

I completely agree with your assessment of the Proprius amps. Stereo imaging and the depth/width of the soundstage was greatly improved in my system, and the bass response from my speakers finally met my expectations - even more so when I hooked in the Spatia speaker cable. 

Good luck with tuning your room.
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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

Good luck with tuning your room.

Thanks Bob. Fortunately WAF isn't an issue at the moment, though it is a living room rather than a dedicated listening room so to speak, so I don't want it to put off potential visitors. Wink

Now I've got the new living room I guess ideally I'd like to try the monoblocks out again to see whether they cure some of the "issues" but I feel that would be taking advantage of the loan service. Better get saving, if that's possible!
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Hello everybody


I am quite new to this forum and this topic interests me so I ask to be able to introduce myself (a bit rambling, sorry) & I will eventually get to a relevant Graham Slee bit, I promise....

I had worried about my music room acoustics for several years. It is a large-ish extension built 20 years ago from half the original double garage plus the gap between the house. 3 of the walls are concrete/brick with the wall behind the seating position stud/plasterboard. The floor is carpeted onto sold concrete. The speakers are about 1/4 length from the far end and the chair about 1/3 length from the plasterboard rear wall.  Everything is orientated down the long length of the room.

Although it is just a 2 channel hi-fi den, no matter what I did, there often seemed to be a bass hump which disturbed me - acoustically it was slightly cold and a bit dead sounding. Bass traps, curtains, rugs etc made slight differences but I knew there was something wrong.

A friend in Portsmouth had enthused about DEQX for several years (although I didn't get a chance to hear it until May 2012) and last July I decided to bite the bullet, after reading almost unanimous rave reviews everywhere (I know...snake oil etc but I really researched hard, speaking to various users and the system I had heard was quite frankly, unbelievable).

I must say that the learning curve to set this thing up properly has taken more than 6 months - all impulse response, x-over orders and phase/timing but just after Christmas I finally nailed it. The best description I can give is like turning the focus on a lens and then suddenly everything snaps into perfect focus. And I do mean clear focus !

Creating steep active crossovers between subs-mids-tweeters, time and phase aligning the speakers (in the outdoors!) and finally again in the room now gives me the nirvana I have searched for for 30 years ('smells like' etc etc). I know many will turn their noses up at going active & digital but I am now extremely happy. DEQX lets you 'see' the interaction with your room and adjust timing of every driver set individually to give you an amazing sound at the 'sweet spot'. I could also graphically view the various humps, bumps and dips created by the room (because the speakers were first set accoustically 'flat' outdoors) and then apply correction to return to the original sound. Believe me, when you see & hear it, it's hard to believe just what damage a room can do to your system !

Now to the analogue, phono-amp bit, thanks for your patience.....

One benefit of the DEQX processor is that it also becomes the pre-amp with a pretty good inbuilt DAC so my digital front end (CD & Synology streamer) sounded much better than a decent turntable/cartridge. That didn't please me at all because I am 56 years old and I grew up to love my ‘first born’ ….vinyl.

 

I had a Gram-Amp 2SE on trial from my local dealer for a week last year pre-DEQX and rejected it because it sounded cold and hard compared to what I had (not realising that this gear needs a Loooonng warm up period !). Anyway two weeks ago I bought a used Reflex/PSU1 from Ebay and it is starting to sound pretty special, better almost by the day as most of you say it will and through my system - very, very good - I will not turn it off until I inevitably send it off to Yorkshire to upgrade to the latest -M spec....oh dear, here I go again !


I am also arranging with Jon to demo some CuSat50 interconnects. (Better whisper that in case the wife hears….)

 

So, thank you for indulging me. I am not saying that DEQX is the only solution to a poor room. However I have learned that if you are prepared to put a ridiculous amount of effort into it , it really does correct the sound almost to perfection.

 

Anyone ever visiting Chester UK and interested to hear is more than welcome to PM me. You seem to be a well educated, honest speaking bunch and I respect the views I am reading so I’m always open to take further advice.…

 

(by the way, I will not be able to partake in all the techy, scientific stuff in this forum, fascinating as I find it. I just love music for music's sake, listen to it at every spare moment  and my wonderful wife indulges me in that. So I can only comment on what I hear, not really why it sounds that way)

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