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Hi Tony, I'm a user of MM only via an Accession & Reflex M, with one of my turntables being the SL1200G. Among the different cartridges I have used with it, the 2M Black was my favourite (I say 'was' because I've been in Idaho since February & currently travelling home - typing in an airport lounge!). 

I've been mighty impressed with the Technics compared to a succession of belt driven turntables used over the years - pitch control, grip & timing of the music is exceptional and the level of depth and clarity in the bass is something to behold! 

Whilst in the USA I've picked up one of the new Grado Prestige 2's to try out - the US price is the 'same' as the UK but in $ so ~30% cheaper! I had a brief listen on a (another forum) members' Technics to check it out & expect this will sound very different to my other MMs - beautiful midrange and a softer, more mellow treble. 

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Originally posted by tmoody tmoody wrote:

As predicted, a quick response. Not as predicted: good news!

"Good question - the built-in preamp is fully bypassable, so the signal will not go through the preamp when it is disengaged."
That's good news Tony!
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Originally posted by Drewan77 Drewan77 wrote:

Hi Tony, I'm a user of MM only via an Accession & Reflex M, with one of my turntables being the SL1200G. Among the different cartridges I have used with it, the 2M Black was my favourite (I say 'was' because I've been in Idaho since February & currently travelling home - typing in an airport lounge!). 

I've been mighty impressed with the Technics compared to a succession of belt driven turntables used over the years - pitch control, grip & timing of the music is exceptional and the level of depth and clarity in the bass is something to behold! 

Whilst in the USA I've picked up one of the new Grado Prestige 2's to try out - the US price is the 'same' as the UK but in $ so ~30% cheaper! I had a brief listen on a (another forum) members' Technics to check it out & expect this will sound very different to my other MMs - beautiful midrange and a softer, more mellow treble. 

Sad to be leaving family living over there Cry but looking forward to getting back to my music system for a while. Big smile



Wow that's fantastic info, thank you! Sounds like just what my local dealer has recommended. How would you describe any difference between the Accession and the Reflex M? I know there are many comments in other threads about this in general, but I'm not sure there are any from people using the Technics + Ortofon 2M Black in the front end.

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Originally posted by morris_minor morris_minor wrote:

Originally posted by tmoody tmoody wrote:

As predicted, a quick response. Not as predicted: good news!

"Good question - the built-in preamp is fully bypassable, so the signal will not go through the preamp when it is disengaged."
That's good news Tony!

Yes and my loaner Reflex M should soon be on the way thanks to BAK. Can't wait!
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If however the input were not to be isolated from the cartridge there would be two 47k loads in parallel on using an external phono stage. Your ears will tell you one way or the other (provided a MM cartridge is in use), as frequencies above 5 or 6 kHz will be rolled off.

This is what happens with all the other built-in stages I and others have witnessed.

Here's hoping yours is different.
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Originally posted by tmoody tmoody wrote:

....How would you describe any difference between the Accession and the Reflex M? I know there are many comments in other threads about this in general, but I'm not sure there are any from people using the Technics + Ortofon 2M Black in the front end.

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I have to admit that I only used the Accession briefly with the SL-1200G but the table sounds fabulous with either phono stage & my favourite MM cartridge (Audio Note IQ3) remains on my other table - I want to leave the Accession paired with that. However, soon I may switch the Accession/IQ3 over to the Technics & put a Roksan cart on the other table, then I can have another listen to the SL1200G/2M Black/Accession.

These two phono stages are more similar than different, I have swapped them extensively with several cartridges (inc 2M Black/another table) so I feel confident in my observations: The Accession is even more refined, especially with percussion, fine detail and imaging & for the price difference, if I only had one, it would be the Accession. As with many things in hifi, the differences are subtle but noticeable if you listen back to back.

Slee equipment never imparts anything of its own, to me it seems to remove layers of something as if polishing a lens & the Accession buffs music up to a level I never hear elsewhere. Graham is also fastidious with RF suppression in all his equipment & those of us fortunate enough to have several components in our systems certainly reap the benefits.

I've only listened to a few albums so far this evening but as my body is still 7 hrs behind the UK, I suspect I have a lot of time left... for now with the Technics/Prestige 2 Black/Reflex M. Amazing that such a 'lowly' MM cart can sound so nice. 
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You're still happy with the Technics then Andrew?
Grip, timing & bass depth & control are not the strongest characteristics of most of the belt drive decks
I've owned over the years either.
Really looking forward to trying the new SL1200G.
Good shout on the Grado.
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