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HD greedsters - it ain't rock'n'roll old chum

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To be Eco-Friendly in this modern world we have made for are self's and listen to music is "Nye on impossible" even if you listen to someone playing a musical instrument. 
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Originally posted by Graham Slee Graham Slee wrote:

OK, I could understand digitally mastered vinyl before we had the equipment to reproduce digital files satisfactorily at home.

But for the last 15 years or so, we've had the ability to play digitally mastered music, without the need for all these inter-stage processes, and obtain great results - especially with the more "human" digital and analogue filters.

So why these days make vinyl records at all, unless the only master available is analogue? (I can accept that). But to add all the extra hurdles makes absolutely no sense - and, yes, I know I earn a living selling phono stages, but come on!

Oh, and don't be taken in by "non-toxic" and "eco-friendly" because you'll show your ignorance. How do you think vinyl is made? It is made using gas!!! Its manufacturing process liberates CO2 to the atmosphere - and other chemicals of which some are toxic (although, being a gardener, I like CO2 because it makes my veggies grow).

I treasure my vinyl, but since the availability of well-made digital recordings (yes, even 16 bit), and the electronics which can reproduce them really well, then my only "eco-crime" is the same as everybody's - COAL!

(I guess ex of the mining industry engineers have to be seen as cloth cap wearers and belittled, or we could make others believe in the laws of thermodynamics - their god forbid!)


An excellent set of arguments for only buying s/h vinyl (and indeed s/h components) given that it's already too late to do anything about the CO2 output + raw materials consumption involved. As for new vinyl - I'm aware that some of the artists involved record digitally (others are determinedly AAA), but like to persuade (kid?) myself that my allotment + the raised beds in my garden at least offset the carbon footprint involved. And nowadays I limit myself to s/h vinyl for anything non-"current" - unless it's never been on vinyl before (recent e.g. - Home by Terry Hall). We all have to live with our own hypocrisies and weaknesses, eh? Collecting LPs and listening to them (in an unheated listening room while wearing an extra layer) would seem to be one of the less harmful ones in the current Developed Western (sic.) scheme of things...
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Hands up all those in possession of a printed circuit board? Yes you! You've plenty of them, and so have I. Just wanted you to know how irresponsible you and I are in encouraging the use of (wait for it) chemicals, by buying any and all things electronic - not forgetting your coal consumption!
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OK, I could understand digitally mastered vinyl before we had the equipment to reproduce digital files satisfactorily at home.

But for the last 15 years or so, we've had the ability to play digitally mastered music, without the need for all these inter-stage processes, and obtain great results - especially with the more "human" digital and analogue filters.

So why these days make vinyl records at all, unless the only master available is analogue? (I can accept that). But to add all the extra hurdles makes absolutely no sense - and, yes, I know I earn a living selling phono stages, but come on!

Oh, and don't be taken in by "non-toxic" and "eco-friendly" because you'll show your ignorance. How do you think vinyl is made? It is made using gas!!! Its manufacturing process liberates CO2 to the atmosphere - and other chemicals of which some are toxic (although, being a gardener, I like CO2 because it makes my veggies grow).

I treasure my vinyl, but since the availability of well-made digital recordings (yes, even 16 bit), and the electronics which can reproduce them really well, then my only "eco-crime" is the same as everybody's - COAL!

(I guess ex of the mining industry engineers have to be seen as cloth cap wearers and belittled, or we could make others believe in the laws of thermodynamics - their god forbid!)



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I have some pretty spectacular sounding LPs made using the traditional process too, but using CAD driven lathes for making the pressing plates makes sense, for consistency's sake if nothing else.

I have a number of recent albums that were recorded, mixed and mastered digitally, and eventually made it to vinyl release, and they bring something of their own to the table.
There is a certain je ne sais quoi they have from vinyl playback.





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Digital can still be wonderful at the same time as using new ideas to try to improve a legacy playback technology that a lot of people very much enjoy listening to. I don't see a conflict here; both have their place.

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