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    Posted: 20 May 2021 at 10:38pm
Hi all,
I have a Gram Amp 2 SE that I bought in 2017. In 2018, we got 2 kittens and one of them had a thing for chewing on cables which ultimately gave me reason to upgrade to a PSU-1 (it also taught me to manage and protect my cables).
I've been extremely happy with this setup (still am!), but have now upgraded my amp and speakers. This has me thinking it might be time to also upgrade the phono stage.
My turntable is a vintage Lenco L75. It's in great condition and has had some minor tweaks. It is fitted with a Nagaoka MP-110. Downstream from the GA2SE I have a Hegel H90 integrated amplifier and a pair of Dynaudio Evoke 20 loudspeakers. 
I listen to many types of music: Different types of rock and metal, jazz and other acoustic music and even some electronic stuff.
I've been looking at the Reflex and the Accession, thinking about which one would be more appropriate. The cartridge might be upgraded (I like the Nagaoka, so thinking I might move up the MP chain), but other than that the rest of the system is likely to remain unaltered for the foreseeable future.
I'm aware of the loaner program, but any pointers would be appreciated. Is the Accession "overkill" for me? I don't think the alternate EQ's is a feature I'll use much (although my record collection has taken unexpected turns in the past so I guess you never know), but maybe it could be worth the extra money regardless of that?

Thanks for your time.

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I use an Accession with my PTP6 L75 and have also used a Reflex M. So IMO neither are overkill.
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Originally posted by ICL1P ICL1P wrote:

I use an Accession with my PTP6 L75 and have also used a Reflex M. So IMO neither are overkill.
Thanks for your reply. What type of arm and cartridge do you use? I know this is a difficult question, but is it possible to describe the difference between the Reflex and the Accession? Is it a question of refinement and detail, or are they also somehow different in character? 
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Razamanaz, I tried a Reflex M with a Nagaoka MP 200 (actually a mp150 with 200 stylus) and it sounded wonderful, so much more musical than the Pro***t Phono  Box it was to replace.  In the end I bought an Accession M because I wanted to use the additional variable phono output for vinyl archiving. From my listening, I couldn't say the Accession is better than the Reflex if you don't want the additional features but it has been well worthwhile for my usage.

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Originally posted by Razamanaz Razamanaz wrote:

Originally posted by ICL1P ICL1P wrote:

I use an Accession with my PTP6 L75 and have also used a Reflex M. So IMO neither are overkill.
Thanks for your reply. What type of arm and cartridge do you use? I know this is a difficult question, but is it possible to describe the difference between the Reflex and the Accession? Is it a question of refinement and detail, or are they also somehow different in character? 
The PTP6 L75 has been used with a Rega RB301 and Audio Note IQ2 cartridge. The arm will be replaced in July by an Audiomods Series 6. I’ve never tried to compare the Reflex and the Accession. I got the Accession, unplugged the Reflex and gave it to my son to replace his Genera (I now have two Genera I built doing nothing). The biggest wow I’ve ever got from buying a new bit of kit was when I bought the Reflex M and stopped using the phonostage built into my then (now my son’s) Roksan Kandy LIII, but you’re starting at a higher level than I did.

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Thank you both. Always interesting to hear how others have done it. I think what it tells me is what part of me knew already: I'll have to try to get a loan of both to see how they work in my system.
Considering how good the Gram Amp 2 SE is, it's exciting to think what could be achieved at the higher price ranges of The Reflex and the Accession.
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Hi Simon,
FWIW I use an Accession MM with a Music Master cartridge from the late Len Gregory & it works
superbly on all types of music - give it a good acoustic or classical recording & it really shows
what it can do.
The Reflex is well worth a try too & is a bit of a bargain.
Good luck with the trial.
 

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