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Topic: soon to order Solo
Posted By: EDMCR
Subject: soon to order Solo
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 6:24am
Hello everyone! new here and this is my first post. Just getting into a decent setup and have decided on a solo for my first amp, will probably upgrade to psu1 when money allows. Does anyone have a recommendation for a good DAC? I have alot of digital files that I will be using via USB or S/pdif for cds I will be using an older Magnavox cdb 502 (rebrand Phillips) that my dad no longer uses. The headphones the solo will be driving are a new set of HD650's. I'm also wondering what burn in time for the solo is? and what method should I go about doing this? (run a cd on repeat?)
Thanks!



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Posted By: mrarroyo
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 11:40am
How much do you wish to spend on the DAC? Also, what part of the world are you in? I ask the second question because sometimes a more expensive unit could end up being cheaper. That is if you were to buy a cheaper unit and then it needs service but you then have to ship it around the world then it eats up all your up front savings.

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Miguel


Posted By: EDMCR
Date Posted: 14 Sep 2010 at 5:46pm
I'm located in Canada as for how much I want to spend for now I think 500 might be the most I can do.


Posted By: mrarroyo
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 11:51am
A viable option would be to check Audiogon, you can find good prices on use equipment. As a norm most user are very anal and take good care of the gear. http://www.audiogon.com/index.html

There are some excellent DAC's made in China and I am currently testing a couple of them. These can be bought for about $300 new. However should they ever need repair it could cost you time/money having to ship it back. If you are ok with that you may wish to read on the HLLY SMK-III which can be found on eBay.

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Miguel


Posted By: EDMCR
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 6:40pm
Right now I'm leaning toward Cambridge audio dacmagic I've heard this is a good dac for the price.


Posted By: Fernando
Date Posted: 16 Sep 2010 at 7:51pm
Welcome EDMCR, and enjoy with this community

Fernando


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 17 Sep 2010 at 10:18pm
One of my work colleagues has the DACmagic in his system and loves it. Welcome and please let us all know how you get on with the DAC you buy.


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: EDMCR
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 5:30am
well I received my SRGII/green today and just wondering if I should just leave this thing on all the time?


Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 5:50am

Absolutely, that is the fastest way for it to stabilise fully.

With or without signal is OK but connect an input, many recommend connecting a tuner.

It will be a few weeks before it settles into its final sound and will go through "phases" during that period - do not give up on it - give it time and it will repay your patience.

Enjoy Thumbs%20Up



Posted By: EDMCR
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 6:57am
so its alright to leave on all the time? even when there is nothing playing? and what is the fastest way to burn in? during burn in do headphones always need to be plugged in?


Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 7:41am

1 - Yes,

2 - yes,

3 - connect a source and leave it powered on - listen as often as you wish or not,

4 - not AFAIK but if you prefer to be on the safe side connect a pair.

My Solo is some years old and is only turned off if I need to move it or re-arrange power leads.



Posted By: mrarroyo
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 11:37am
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. I use a radio so as not to wear out the moving parts of a cd/dvd player
4. Yes, I would use an inexpensive can or a recently bought one to burn in both concurrently.

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Miguel


Posted By: Chivas
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 11:42am
Originally posted by EDMCR EDMCR wrote:

well I received my SRGII/green today and just wondering if I should just leave this thing on all the time?
 
You should leave it on all the time. It was designed that way.
 
As far as the DacMagic is concerned, it is excellent and compares well with my Azur 840C! At the price I'd say it is a no brainer. Cambridge Audio gear is excellent VFM and well designed, they last a long time too. The DacMagic is not super portable though, it's more like a Solo than a Voyager for the lack of a better example.
 
Chivas


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 22 Sep 2010 at 9:22pm
My 9 month old Novo stays connected to the PSU. For the first few days I plugged an old pair of earphones in, put them inside the little carry case they came in, and left the Novo connected to the line output of my amp with Novo volume at 9 o'clock.
 
If you have an amp with a built-in DAC, how does the DAC Magic compare? For comparison purposes what is the Cambridge Audio amp range that uses the same chipset as the DAC Magic?


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: EDMCR
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2010 at 1:37am
ok, one last question ive read in the above post the volume is at 9 O'clock position will this make a difference where the vol is at?


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 23 Sep 2010 at 6:17pm

Hi EDMCR, good question!

The level probably isn't critical but I wanted some signal to be amplified by the Novo and current going into the earplugs. It was a compromise between no signal and having an irritating tinny noise from the little earphones if the level was at 12 o'clock. Sorry, my description made the volume setting sound more precise than it was!
 
Most of the burn-in was like everyone's approach, simply leaving the Novo powered up and letting the components develop. The changes to the sound quality over the following weeks are quite dramatic.


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: pompeyexile
Date Posted: 15 Jul 2011 at 7:37pm
I'm considering buying a DAC too. Originaly it was to route my Onkyo ND-S1 i-pod dock through to improve the sound of that, so I was looking at spending about £160 on a MF V-DAC. Then I thought if I spend a bit more I could go for the Cambridge Dacmagic and route both the dock and my Solo through it. But i'm now wondering do I really need the Dacmagic and is my money better spent (because the price isn't much different) upgrading my Solo to the Ultra Linear instead and waiting a bit and go for the V-DAC later for the i-pod dock alone?
 
At present my Solo is connected direct to my Musical Fidelity A5 Integrated amp via the tape out and I must admit I enjoy the sound i'm getting from my Sennheiser HD250II Linears so the real question is......which do you think will improve the sound most, the DAC or the Solo upgrade?


Posted By: mrarroyo
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2011 at 12:50pm
Hi pompeyexile! I must assume you want the Onkyo ND-S1 to use it with an iPod/iPhone/etc. The Onkyo unit will extract the digital information from the various Apple units and allow you to send the digital information to an external DAC (V-DAC, Dacmagic, etc) to convert the files to analog which in turn you would feed the amp(s) of your choice.

As an option you could go with a Pure i-20 Dock ( http://www.pure.com/products/product.asp?Product=VL-61429&Category= ). The i-20 has an internal DAC, based on what I have read it is not as good as the Dacmagic's but it will allow you to experiment at a much lower price point and then if you decide to pursue it then you could add the Dacmagic or whatever.

If you keep your music in your PC/MAC which you probably do since you have an iPod or similar then you may wish to avoid the entire i-Dock and use an Squeezebox Duet or Touch to stream music from you PC/MAC. The internal DAC on the Touch or Duet can do 24/96 and it is quite good, of course later you could buy a high end DAC if you so choose.

The advantage of the Duet or Touch is that it opens up a lot of Radio Station Streaming music via the internet. The Squeeze Box products do not require your PC/MAC to be on when streaming music from the internet radio stations.

I have both systems and use the dock/dac arrangement in my office at work and the Squeezebox at home. Hope this additional options help.

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Miguel


Posted By: pompeyexile
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 12:36am
Miguel,
I already have the Onkyo (had it just over a year) as my partner likes her i-pod, especially the ability to randomly pick tracks from the hundreds she has on it (instead of changing cd's) which she likes to use when we have people round for a boogy. So I thought for the times we had to listen to that through the hi-fi i'd try and get the best dock I could afford at the time, and knowing that as you so rightly say it extracts the digital indormation direct from the i-pod plus it had good reviews, I went for the Onkyo. However, I also know from what i've read that adding a DAC would inprove the sound considerably.
 
My thought process though as I said, was that as I was considering buying a DAC, to maybe spend a little extra on one that I could run both the i-pod and the Solo through, killing two birds with one stone so to speak, improving the sound of both. But my question was, would I be better served spending the money I would lavish on the more expensive DAC, on upgrading my Solo to the ultra linear instead? Which would make my listening experience better, running the Solo through a DAC or simply upgrading it to the ultra linear?
 
I guess selfishly the improvement in the i-pod sound (as I very rarely listen to it through the hi-fi it's mainly for my partner's benefit) can wait, if the Solo upgrade would benefit me more.
 
I suppose the obvious answer is upgrade the Solo and add a DAC later. That is if course if adding a DAC at all will improve the sound.
 
To DAC or not to DAC, that is the question.
 


Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 5:46am

Quote I suppose the obvious answer is upgrade the Solo and add a DAC later. That is if course if adding a DAC at all will improve the sound.

I would agree with that choice - I do think that will offer the best "sound for the pound".

Although you mention that your Solo is connected to the tape out of your amp I see no mention of your source - one assumes a CD player? and that the connection to the tape out is a convenience that allows use of source with either the Solo or a speaker system.

FWIW - I have messed around with a number of DACs and read many reports on many different DACs as well as listening to many on friends differing systems - many of these use their DACs to interface computer based systems, my feeling is that it requires a fair investment in a DAC to significantly outclass a competent CD player.

In that respect, if the objective is to improve on the ipod dock or access computer sources, then the Dacmagic might prove quite acceptable (the Audio GD products receive very good press out here and a number are price competitive with the DM), if however, the objective in the longer term is to improve on a decent CDP, then the bar might need raising somewhat - the new Rega DAC is receiving rather good press.

I do not own a DAC or CDP that betters my analogue setup, but the investment is not as great either.  My preferred DAC is a DIY job with many mods and is now sounding quite good, the total investment in that is now a deal more than the cost of a DM and a number of parts used are now virtually unobtainable so it would be difficult to recommend it.

For a memory refresh, I have just now done a quick comparison between the analogue out of a modded Marantz CD 52 SE and a modded Beresford Caiman (the mods would take its cost to around the DM and have received significant following elsewhere), I also compared it to the analogue out of a semi-pro soundcard that uses the Envy 24 chip and AKM hard codecs.  While I might have felt that a slight edge went to the Caiman v the soundcard, (depending on the digital cable used and the output board selected - I tried the "Gator" discrete board and the modified stock board with changed caps and THS 4032 opamps) the difference v the CDP were largely of slightly differing "flavour".  Testing was done using both inputs on the Solo to allow quick switching and I reran 2 different tracks, one classical, one pop.  The only significant advantage of the DAC was multiple inputs and the possibility of using the variable output as a preamp or for level matching.   There was no appreciable benefit in SQ over the standalone player. 

Reverting to my preferred DAC, there was an obvious step up in SQ, though it OTOH, does not offer the same flexibility WRT inputs and volume control.

Hope some of this is helpful.



Posted By: mrarroyo
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 1:36pm
Hi Bill, I have always believed the sound starts at the source and ends on the speakers/headphones. I have a Solo SRGII and had the SRGi and the Green Solo, the SRGII is the best sounding of them. Sadly I have not listened to the Ultra Linear so I cannot comment. Having said all that I also believe that happiness at home is even more important so you must make sure that "she who must be obeyed" is VERY HAPPY!

Before I say anything else, are the files in the iPod lossless? or at least higher bit rate (256 AAC)? If neither I am not sure a better DAC would help. However if her files are Apple Lossless then a better DAC than the one in the iPod will make a difference based on the various DAC's I have used with the Wadia and the stock iPod.

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Miguel


Posted By: pompeyexile
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 2:27pm
Thanks for the response guys.
 
Well tg you are correct about the way i've connected my Solo and I'm using Mr Slee's cusat50 (from your experience though do you think there is a better way?) and my cd player is the Musical Fidelity Nuvista 3CD, which in its day retailed for about three grand (I only paid half that) so I assume and hope the DAC inside would be a fairly good one. In which case what I can afford now in DAC terms (that's what comes of settling down with a good woman and a mortgage) probably wouldn't come close. Oh and mrarroyo I have transferred the music onto the i-pod as Apple Lossless so as you say a £160 to £250 DAC (V-DAC or Dacmagic or what's best within my budget at the time, but that's another argument for another day) would improve the sound from the i-pod dock.
 
Well you've both helped me make up my mind the i-pod through a DAC can wait, and an upgrade to the Solo it is.
 
If only other decisions in life were as easy.........Mmm, now do I have tomato sauce or mayo on me chips? (that's fries to you across the pond)
 
Thanks.


Posted By: tg [RIP]
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 3:30pm

Salt and vinegar and printers ink for chips (they used to wrap them in old newspaper in days gone by).

While your arrangement is best for convenience, I would at least try connecting the CDP direct to the Solo to see if it made an appreciable difference, but then I am happy to swap cables for best sound.




Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2011 at 10:44pm
I think mrarroyo and tg said it all, even changing the cable routing! My only addition is that all your sources go through the headphones and amp, so everything will sound better with a new Solo.
 
Jon


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: mal4mac
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 5:34pm
My Novo should be arriving tomorrow. Should I plug in my newish Senn HD280s + tuner and leave the set up running continuously for two weeks to get adequate burn in for both the Senns & the Novo? Is there an optimal volume level?


Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 24 Aug 2011 at 8:59pm
Normal listening level if it doesn't prove to be an annoyance to other members of the household.

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Posted By: mal4mac
Date Posted: 25 Aug 2011 at 12:10pm
What's the best way to tie the Novo into my hifi system? Do I attach it via Tape out on my NAD 3020 amp, and then press the 'Tape Monitor' button?


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2011 at 10:51pm
Hi mal4mac, I've done it like that and it works well. I think the out to the tape (REC out) is probably connected all the time. So if you only connect the REC out to the Novo, there's no signal coming back from the Novo and the Tape Monitor button acts as a mute for the amp/speakers whilst you listen on headphones. Hope that helps.


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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: mal4mac
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2011 at 8:41am
I've attached the Novo this way and it works well - I don't even need to have the power amp turned on...


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Sep 2011 at 7:11pm
Nice one Smile

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.



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