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Category: Turntable Audio
Forum Name: High Fidelity Turntable User
Forum Description: Technical Q&A, hints and tips
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Topic: Turntable belt
Posted By: Analog Kid
Subject: Turntable belt
Date Posted: 26 Oct 2009 at 10:01pm
How often should the belt of a turntable be changed?
I have had my turntable for four years now and I am wondering whether it is time to change the belt.




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Posted By: rhmbus
Date Posted: 28 Oct 2009 at 9:28pm
go for it     never mind the expense
ray


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many an old tune


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 8:15pm
have ordered a new origin live belt for my MRM Source.  Will report back on findings. 






Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 9:19pm
I'm interested in your assessment Richard. I think my Gorbe has improved with an OL belt. I was surprised how slack it could be and sound good with low wow and flutter.



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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 10:42pm
Dilemma ordering; OL suggested measuring belt run round the pulley/platter then making one up .98 of this (553mm) another used a TD160 at 540mm and my brothers OE at 510mm!!!!

The Roksan belt seems ‘slack’ to me i.e. under minimal tension 560mm whereas my brother tells me his ‘pings’ on to the sub-platter they can’t all be right!

Does anyone have any opinions on ‘how slack/tight’ you would expect the belts to be?


Posted By: John1479
Date Posted: 07 Jun 2019 at 11:50pm
Hi Richard, 

I'm unsure that taking general advice on this is the best way forward. 

Hard to put on paper without knowing the specifics of the deck and original belt.

Too loose= poor speed and timing. 
Too tight= noise and bearing wear. 

I would telephone and ask Mark at OL first, he's probably got a pattern or specs. for the specific belt. Alternatively I'm sure he would talk you through the best measuring procedure if you don't feel too confident to get it right. I'm sure he deals with plenty of similar enquiries without any problems. 

HTH Smile

J.


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 7:47am
thanks we appear to share the same thought process and yes I have been contacting them over the last few weeks re measurements.

The dilemma other than observational was that my brothers OE on the same deck was significantly shorter and tighter as was his many moons ago on his TD 125 from the 70s.

Will see what it sounds like when it arrives.


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 08 Jun 2019 at 11:21am
If it helps you I used a thin electronics wire to measure the same path the belt follows and gave this distance to OL. Most string stretches so picture hanging wire may be a good alternative to what I used. My Michell deck has a moveable motor pod so I was able to experiment afterwards with the motor to bearing distance and therefore the belt tension. I used a newish Android app I got off VE which helped me to balance what sounded good to me with low wow and flutter.

I agree with John's characterisation of the extremes of belt tension.



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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 9:25pm
Finally had some opportunity for some critical listening with my new OL belt after running in, listening and swapping back.

I started listening seriously with my current Roksan belt on my MRM Source TT I am unsure quite how old it is a few years I guess.

Straight to conclusions yes it is superior, big difference no but significant all the same.

Biggest improvement was vocals, greater clarity, fine detail and openness.  Better and more focused soundstage and ‘live’ sounding with more energy in a good way with greater dynamics.

Low frequencies were more difficult to conclude on.  The overall balance was lighter and possibly more focused but in terms of definition no obvious differences, rhythmically certainly no worse possibly better.

There did appear some house similarities with the OL platter mat albeit without the flaws/colouration.

Since my loan spell with the Accession MC I have certainly enjoyed my vinyl but am aware I have missed some aspects at HF (always a danger in trying something better!).  Some of the improvements with the OL belt did remind me of the Accession MC with the improved clarity and ability to sound less loud and sweeter/cleaner in the vocal ranges and above with improved separation.  Whilst not suggesting the magnitude is as big as the AMC just being descriptive.

Attempting to follow OL advice on allowing further bedding in time after switching over, direct comparisons are more difficult to do justice to both and require a longer listening session which have eluded me until now.

At around £33 it isn’t a huge outlay and worth a punt you have 30 days to try and return.

One final observation mechanically the belt is noisier when starting up maybe as textured but not once up to speed.






Posted By: Richardl60
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2019 at 9:41pm
....whilst I will have a further comparison at a later date I will just sit back another day and enjoy for a while.

I am sure decks will vary by application and belt but happy on mine.  Whilst not wholly concluded I suspect the noise floor was lower also hence the greater fine and low level detail will see...


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 7:58pm
This week I did a speed check on my turntable and the findings were good but this weekend I will be checking the condition of the belt as it is coming up to 5 years old and giving the pulleys a good clean. I have read that a belt needs changing from 5 to 10 years depending on use. So I will see. Any how I will check the speed again even if I just clean the pulleys.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 8:01pm
I think you'll enjoy having a new belt.

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 9:22pm
And I think I'm due a new one before long...

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2021 at 10:04pm
I think a new belt will needed and even if not getting one won't be a bad idea, I'd have spare. They don't cost much, I will have to order one and I don't wont to be without the use of my turntable running at it's best.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: Suggs
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2021 at 7:34am
I think that even five years is far too long, particularly if you use your 'table often. I'd also recommend taking a look at the belts from Origin Live, they can have an amazing upgrade effect on many decks


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Derek


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2021 at 8:00am
I have an Origin Live belt on my Gorbe turntable and will definitely get another.



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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2021 at 1:53pm
I will have to check the size of the belt on my turntable if I were to buy a Origin Live belt, not sure where to get that info, what sort of price am I looking at for one these belts?. On the pro-j website for the belt I'm replacing it is about £19 but I have not looked into P&P that I may have to pay.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2021 at 7:33pm
Well the belt does need replacing, Had a clean before looking at the belt and what came off the pulley was traces of what looks likes rubber (black stuff) then cleaned the belt. I did a speed check and from a WOW 2sigma of 0.39 is now down to 0.36, This can only improve with a new belt. So this is now top of my list for my HiFi.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.



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