Magneplanar speakers
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Topic: Magneplanar speakers
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Subject: Magneplanar speakers
Date Posted: 29 Jun 2023 at 7:38pm
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I have just acquired a mid-eighties* psir of Magnepan SMGa panel speakers and I am enjoying listening to them. Not my first dipoles and careful positioning helps. Powered by the sublime and powerful Proprius amps, the 4 ohm load is not a problem so I have a nice and natural room filling sound. No tweaks yet but I have a few parts ready. Has anyone here has anything like them?
*They had a full service sticking down any delaminated wires as part of the price.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 7:40pm
They are only 3/4 inch or 18mm thick but produce a full range sound from front and rear as they are dipoles. The panels are 4 feet (1,200 mm) high and about 19 inches (480mm) wide. I'm taken by the height of the sound and its room filling sound. It is quite detailed for the age and price I paid.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 01 Jul 2023 at 8:29pm
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Hope they continue to impress, Jon.
I did consider some Magnepans a while back but realistically just do not have the room for them. They are essentially multi-way as they typically contain more than one size of panel so not designed for close nearfield listening. I do like the dipole principle and if I had a large room, they would probably be my speaker type of choice. Although they're designed for very modest excursion but high sound purity so would take some careful consideration for best performance.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 9:56am
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Thanks Ash. By coincidence I looked into some secondhand Magnepans before the pandemic but they were 6 feet high black panels and over a grand. Too big to risk that kind of money...
Now I have the much cheaper and smaller SMGa panels. Ash is right about the HF/LF split mylar panel. I have the narrow HF strip on the outside of each speaker and it crosses over quite low at about 800 Hertz but first order. Magnepan advises that the distance from the listening position should be the same for the HF panel as the LF panel. Similar to getting the height and vertical angle right on multiway box speakers. After that the toe-in focusses the sweet spot of box speakers. On my panel speakers the toe-in sets the horizontal offset between HF and LF in each panel and the sweet spot... experimentation is key.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 10:00am
Fitting new capacitors has improved the treble, not shrill but cymbals and strings are clearer.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Jul 2023 at 7:35pm
I measured the mylar film's width and the two parts that reproduce high and mid/bass frequencies. Their mid point was 185mm (about 40%) in from the outer oak strip. So i used a laser tape measure with a flat base to project a perpendicular beam and align this at my listening position. Good sound and repeatable geometry.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 12:00pm
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This morning I removed the cloth covers or 'socks' as I plan to replace them with a modern grill fabric. It meant pulling out a lot of staples. I am about to wash the original covers as they are quite dirty.
This has also allowed me to hear the speakers naked and they sound better. It is not a look I want in my living room so I will be sewing up new socks this week.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 9:06pm
It's quite rewarding doing some DIY on speakers.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 03 Jul 2023 at 9:52pm
Agreed. I see 2nd purchases as projects. I will be making some wooden stands soon to lift the smga's and give them a more rigid base.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 1:21pm
I too will be getting back to speaker DIY very soon. Would like to experiment with desk-attached VESA-mount arms for monitors as a means to lift speaker enclosures completely off my desk and to position them in front of the head; eliminates the room reflections and allows deep bass extension as high dB SPLs would not be required. Ideally I will get to a point with speaker drivers where I am satisfied that I can achieve an almost totally flat response and sell my MySphere 3.1 headphone. Just not interested in headphones anymore; it's really nice to not have to wear anything on the head.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 5:43pm
Well that sounds interesting Ash.. I cut and sewed up my new speaker socks today. They look much better than the original covers and let more of the sound through. The beige is less orange than I saw on screen and blends well with the other finishes in my living room. Needless to say it has been a good excuse to listen to lots of music.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 8:06pm
The dipoles I tried before were normal drivers on open baffles and suffered from a rapid bass rolloff due to cancellation between front and back output. That gave a limited sound that was light on bass. The Magnepans produce plenty of bass which is good for me and it is probably reflected backwave reinforcing the direct sound.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 04 Jul 2023 at 8:51pm
Sounds like a great DIY project you've got going Jon. 
Hope you can eventually share some pictures.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 10:22am
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Thank you Graham. I took some photos this morning while I was replacing the internal cabling with Spatia hookup wire. I will upload them when I have a chance.
My next step is to make some wooden stands. I'll start with some 2 by 1 offcuts.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 05 Jul 2023 at 11:43pm
Spatia cabling is my final requirement but until I have settled on cable length and driver-side terminations, I have put off the investment.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 8:04am
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Indeed. It is best to have the final measurements before ordering Measure twice and cut once as the saying goes.
My speaker cables are very short (about 300 mm) because I have the Propius amps very close to the left and right floor standing speakers. I made a four way plait with Spatia hookup wire and connected one pair to each plug. For bi-wire I fitted two red and two black at the speaker end. The Magnepan terminals are at floor level which helps.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 9:01am
My Lautus-R3 cables from Majestic are 1.5m long so if I eventually mount the Proprius in the speaker enclosures, I would need very short Spatia connections. Although if I have the amps with the speakers, the power cables are less tidy. But if I have two Proprius on each side for bi-amping a pair of drivers, there are two signal cables so it's already messy. An extra two power cables won't make much difference, especially if it was all mounted on a monitor-arm for freedom of positioning.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 7:53pm
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Back to my Magneplanars...
They have a steel panel at the front with vertical lines of holes between the fixed magnets. Just behind them is a stretched mylar film with parallel aluminium (light weight) wires that the amplifier current runs through causing the mylar to move back and forth. This photo is from rear and shows the mylar with the wires glued to it (or 'laminated'). The ends go to the terminals at the top. In this early Magnepan the two sections are wired in series and the crossover elements provide a bypass for the full range signal with the inductor in parallel with the thin treble wiring on the left and capacitor in parallel with the wires on the large bass/mid panel.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 8:01pm
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This photo shows the recovered SMGa's from the front so you can see light coming through the vertical lines of holes mentioned above. To avoid long term UV damage I have been dropping the manufacturer's protective sacks over the SMGa's when not in use. That was after, below you can see the original cloth draped over the recovered SMGa. Note the heavy texture and remember this is after I washed out 36 years of grime.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 8:09pm
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I made the new covers or 'socks' by buying some acoustically transparent cloth, turning it inside out and machine sewing seams top and side. Turn it the right way round and slide it over the speaker panel which has grooves cut into the mdf edges.
Now the terminals and crossover... You can see the four terminals at the top, just under the tea towel I used to protect the mylar and laminated thin wires from the hot solder. The gold coloured panel has the original terminals which I contact cleaned and the fuse designed to protect the tweeter's thinner wire.
I replaced the original red, blue, and black wires above with Spatia hookup wire and ran similar length wires out to the newish capacitor I fitted instead of the small original component...
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 8:13pm
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This is the after photo seen from the other direction, hence you see the plain aluminium of the gold painted panel. Note the coloured heatshrink (red, blue, black) to distinguish the new Spata wiring. I know I can easily bypass the fuse and 15 ohm resistor by resoldering the black wire on the left of the photo to the terminal with the blue wire.
Edit: another option is to fit an attenuating resistor of 1 or 2 ohms in place of the fuse. This would reduce the higher frequencies and is a feature in many of the later Magnepan models. I would do this by burning out a spare fuse then solder a watt resistor to the fuse's metal caps, carefully so they still fit into the fuseholder.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 8:20pm
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This is an 'after' photo showing the recovered SMGa panel with a Majestic DAC close by. The creases drop out quickly.
The tonal difference between the bass trap fabric (too dense to use as speaker covering) and the SMGa fabric is smaller than it appears here. Even so I might make another pair of socks in 'white beige' colour at a later date. At the moment I am quite happy now at the audio and visual gain from recovering the speakers.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 06 Jul 2023 at 10:28pm
So they're a bit like ESL's in appearance? I'm totally ignorant to how these work, but starting to grasp the concept from your posts. It might take some time for it to sink in.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 7:32am
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The planar magnetic or orthodynamic concept is about the diaphragm being uniformly driven over its entire surface rather than just from where a coil is attached. But the trace is part of the diaphragm so also contributes to moving mass. But power efficiency should be good; better than electrostatics, which use high voltages to produce strong electric fields on low moving mass.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 7:47am
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Test track for you Jon.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 7:59am
Electrostatic panel speakers are the nearest comparison with varied electric charge on the stator grill moving the film in and out. In these magneplanars the changing current through the wires stuck to the mylar film attracts and repels the magnets so the film moves in and out. Much simpler circuit with no step up transformer.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 8:02am
The design is used in headphones too. My LCD2 headphones are magneplanar.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 8:16am
I haven't measured their efficiency but have read the SMGa's produce 90dB/Watt. However, I have turned the level controls up by 6dB compared to my 90dB/W GX300's. The nearest modern equivalent LRS is spec'ed as 86dB for 2.83V into the same 4 ohm load... That's 2 Watts so I suspect a similar approach in the SMGa spec.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Jul 2023 at 8:54pm
I have played a lot of different music through my SMGa's. Right now it's the Shaft soundtrack from Isaac Hayes. Very good.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 10:34am
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I am still enjoying my modified SMGa's. The music is clear and natural with an engrossing sound. I have been playing some 50's and 60's jazz like Oscar Peterson trio and it comes to life in front of me. I must also say that lead vocals and backing singers sound great so do choirs. It is delightful to find old budget kit that delivers fine results nearly 40 years later.
I will try measuring the sound with REW in part to see if panel speakers are as hard to test as some say. I am curious to see the measured bass response compared to my listening impression. Also the distortion % and chacteristics. With other speakers I usually test close-in, then at 1 metre and at my listening position where the room acoustic is key. However, another test also in Yorkshire may take precedence...
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Jul 2023 at 5:59pm
I chose the right test. It was exciting in the morning and tense in the afternoon session! Great to won after two close defeats. Back to topic, I watched the cricket whilst listening to lots of music through my SMGa's.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 16 Jul 2023 at 9:42pm
After a week down south I made some stands from scrap pieces of 25x45 wood, glue and screw. They will be attached by M6 bolts into captive nuts in the SMGa's mdf panels. I drilled and countersunk eight captive nuts into one speaker at 50mm intervals along the line of the stock stand bolts. The spacing will allow me to try different heights. I'll do the other speaker tomorrow and drill the 6mm holes in the stands.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 17 Jul 2023 at 7:47pm
It was quicker fitting the eight captive nuts on the second speaker. However I decided to listen to some music tonight and work on the stands tomorrow.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 18 Jul 2023 at 9:13pm
I fitted the wooden stands this evening and I am pleased with what I am hearing. The stands lift the panels off the floor by over 50mm and they are now perpendicular to the floor, not tipped back. Voices are higher from the floor and fuller. I like the percussion which now sparkles more.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 22 Jul 2023 at 7:26pm
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I don't think some wooden brackets mafe from 1" x 2" offcuts are the reason. Compared to the original tip back I wonder if the upright panels are projecting better forwards and backwards, giving the improvement in sound I hear? It fits with other owners' posts about the vocals lifting up from floor level
So far I like what I am hearing on a range of musical genres and at different levels. Before buying new wood I shall add to my prototype stands. A longer rail front to back may be better ...
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 23 Jul 2023 at 5:57pm
Anywhere between 320 and 350mm works well. I will use white oak in the final stands and oil it to match the original Magnepan side rails.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2023 at 8:01pm
Another good listening session last night and this morning. I bought the white oak today, precut to four 350mm and four 300mm. The short ones will be upright and screwed to the back of the panels The longer ones will be the floor runners. I kept the offcut piece to test oils and varnishes that could match the oak pieces that came with the speakers.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2023 at 8:40pm
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How do they compare with your dynamic speakers?
Much more directional I bet? That's one thing I like about dipoles or no box; sound is forward and back so I personally find it easier to achieve a purer output.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 25 Jul 2023 at 10:16pm
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Yes the tall, thin (line source) mid/high strip is close to the larger mid/bass but seems quite sensitive to toe-in. So they have a narrower sweet spot, but it is really good when angled right and the same on both panels The height of the mylar sheet gives a good stereo effect with a wall of sound. But the horizontal spacing between the two panel sections is different to the vertical separation in other speakers.
I found them easy to locate for bass response with plenty of it and pretty even in level. Perhaps the dipole helps due to the side-nulls but the front corners are less bassy. I agree about the lack of box, it gives a tighter sound. I find the same with the motional feedback speakers where the servo feedback cancels the box sound, as even as the Q of 0.7 is.
The sound is very clear with no distortion that I can hear. They were good value for me and a good addition to the hifi collection.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 26 Jul 2023 at 6:25pm
The oak feet are finished, I'm just letting the glue cure. I have taken a photo of the new legs and the original steel brackets. I will upload it soon.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 27 Jul 2023 at 10:16am
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Earlier I fitted the new oak stands which look better and are more rigid. I decided on 350mm floor runners which helped. And the speakers sound good, I am listening to Revolver's 2022 remix as I write. Great sound but I still want to skip Yellow Submarine...
Until I decide on the final design I won't round the edges or stain and varnish the oak. No rush as I have tried some woodstains in my collection but none take the oak offcut close enough to the colour of the side rails so far.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 2:30am
I did gravitate towards planar magnetic and electrostatic speaker designs a few years ago, wanting to escape the "boxed" sound of traditional dynamic speaker drivers. I did also assume such panels were "single driver" when in fact most are multi-way designs, therefore requiring crossovers to separate frequencies. I was frequently put off by the high cost and space requirements, instead spending a few years with headphones and enjoying a simpler signal path with a purer output. But it too became expensive and there was no getting around the lack of real depth perception.
Quite conveniently for me, during the past decade, dynamic driver technology and mechanical engineering has substantially improved largely due to the strength-to-weight ratio of modern materials and is now at the point where it is now the more economic and superior alternative to headphones. The future finally arrived, making genuinely high fidelity speaker audio accessible at any price point.
Although I don't wish to invest in large panel speakers, it is always interesting to analyze the transducer concepts and study the strengths and weaknesses over dynamic designs.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 7:09am
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Mine are part of a small collection of speakers as I have more space. They s light and easily moved to and from the idal positions. The thin panels mean they can be stored against a wall, especially with the legs or stands taken off.
They do sound different to a traditional round speaker on an open baffle. Did you ever get a demo session to hear a set of magneplanar speakers, Ash?
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 7:49am
No, I have not heard any panel speakers sadly. Where I live on the south coast is not close to any hi-fi shops and I don't drive. I am quite an anomaly considering where I live and my wealth class etc. If I lived in the north of England, I'd make an effort to meet up and discuss and listen alongside you.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 28 Jul 2023 at 6:02pm
I don't have s car either, it's trains and buses for me. I'll let you know next time I'm on the south coast Ash.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 10:28am
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Earlier this morning I settled the final design for my SMGa speaker legs. Dilling a second set of countersunk holes in the legs has lowered the panels to about 35mm off the floor with the option of my original 60mm. I sanded and varnished them with an oak coloured stain that is quick drying and water-based. The second coat is drying now. After lunch I'll reattach the legs and listen to some music.
As the SMGa's are temporarily leaning against my kitchen door I can see more of the bay window and front wall of my listening room. The speakers are over six square feet each so I am glad I didn't cover them in black grill cloth. They would have looked like the monoliths in 2001!
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 29 Jul 2023 at 2:09pm
They are all together now thanks to the lunch interval at The Oval. Crawley's wicket has made things more interesting and Root's near LBW too but I have some shopping to do. I carried on withe cricket and went to my local corner shop in the tea interval Topically I'll be listening to my magneplanar speakers again later today.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2023 at 9:47am
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I really enjoyed yesterday's cricket and hope to enjoy today's too! Also I have been enjoying listening to some strings, cello suites and now Janacek string quartets, well presented in my listening room.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2023 at 1:41pm
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Do they present music anything like these electrostatic speakers, Jon?
This is one video that piqued my interest in the Quad ESL 57. If I had the listening room size, I would consider trying them out. Although speakers like this require care, maintenance and clean in-situ conditions.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2023 at 2:08pm
Yes the midrange and treble is similar Ash, the music is there in front of you. But there is lots more bass than I heard on the ESL 57 and 63.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jul 2023 at 2:32pm
I think the dipolar output of the speakers helped to get a pretty even bass response through the room Also there is little floor vibration under the speakers but checking this brought the side nulls into play. No direct sound above either speaker of course.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 7:42am
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From initial installation I have had the speakers positioned with the speaker marked "-1" on the left so the HF part (the vertical strip approx 30mm wide with thinner wire) is on the outside of the panels. Having the HF strip on the inside edges is reported to offer a more precise stereo image and image depth.
I like the current setup with HF on the outside and marked it with some tape with an outline of the legs. Handy for hoovering and saves measuring distances from scratch if the panels are accidentally moved. It slso makes a changeover easier...
Magnepan are right that the sweet spot is a little narrower in this setup but not for small head movements. With the HF (part of the panel) on the inside, the width has come down by a quarter. I took the manual's advice about ensuring the HF part is not closer than the LF. I toed the panels in and the splashy treble disappeared.
Now for some more listening...
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 1:06pm
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The significantly reduced room interaction is what I love about dipole designs, especially in the bass region. The first time I went from a boxed speaker to a good driver on a big cardboard baffle was a complete revelation for me; all the hump and boom was eliminated. I strongly encourage anybody to try it in a small listening room on a desk.
My endorsement of cardboard boxes hasn't gone unnoticed; a colleague at work joked that I could make a TV out of a cardboard box and some cling film... 
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 5:48pm
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Yes I agree about box design, even the optimal closed boxes raise the resonant frequency and store energy. With the Magnepans there is considerably more bass than I have heard from round drivers on an open baffle.
I liked your cardboard boxes Ash.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 7:21pm
Fatmangolf wrote:
even the optimal closed boxes store energy.
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And that is exactly it; the driver pressure loading contributes too. The more you turn up the volume, the more audible it becomes as well.
I've been impressed with the low bass achievable from drivers like the 12PW and CHR-120. An open baffle or a big box with an open back gives great results in the nearfield.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 01 Aug 2023 at 7:43pm
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The speaker and its box are one system, adding another set of resonances. As you say nearfield listening is appealing and the coupling depends how close you sit, whilst the human brain can fill in the missing bass. I used to sit much closer to my speakers but practical issues came in and some multi-driver speakers don't integrate well at close range. Adjusting the height and vertical angle helps to time align the drivers if you are far enough away.
A very large panel or one with wrap around wings can help. It mimics the classic infinite baffle to extend the bass but not if you use a driver meant for a box!
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 2:11pm
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I'm always on the lookout for new drivers to try and new sizes of cardboard box to put them in. As I learn more about the T/S parameters, I will be more educated to choose type of enclosure. I do really like aluminium but lack the tools for cutting, drilling and shaping it. I favor versatile drivers designed for a close-to-flat response. As material technology advances, implementations continue to improve too.
P.S Brought a sturdy cardboard box home from work today. Time for another pair of speakers.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 8:08pm
Woodworking was what I grew up with and still enjoy. I use corrugated cardboard a lot for model railway scenery and can easily imagine an empty box becoming a speaker cabinet. It would be thin-walled or lossy but probably less prone to panel resonance than thin timber. The TS parameters are useful and will tell you what sort and size of box or panel suits the driver.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 8:14pm
I like the SMGa's with the HF strip on the inside. It is giving me a wider image with sounds outside the left and tight speakers. That is not what I expected from bringing the HF parts closer together. Listen and learn!
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 8:23pm
Something I like about cardboard and aluminium is the rigidity to mass ratio. Less mass makes the enclosure easy to handle, raises the resonant frequency out of the bass region and minimizes the stored energy. Cardboard is great for prototyping the baffle dimensions which I could get cut out of aluminium later if desired.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2023 at 8:35pm
Aluminium is not an easy material to work with. Great if die cast but it clogs tools.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2023 at 4:52pm
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As promised here are a couple of photos. First of all these are the second set of legs I made for my SMGa's. After prototyping with offcuts I bought some oak pieces cut to size as below. They were drilled and countersunk then glued and screwed to form the right angle joint.
You'll see the original stand has screws into the lower part of the SMGa panel and is longer because the panel leaned back. The oak legs ensure the panel is perpendicular to the floor. I have since added another pair of holes to the panel sits lower, bottom edge flush with the horizontal runners. And I sanded, stained and varnished them.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2023 at 5:09pm
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A few pages back I mentioned that the fuse socket could be used to insert an attenuation resistor, a feature otherwise missing on the SMGa. I bought some cheap fuses and used an old PP3 battery to burn two out as you can see on the top fuse in the photos. I then soldered 1 ohm 5 watt resistors across the fuse. When inserted the current going to the HF section passes through the resistor causing a voltage drop for 2dB attenuation. It also lowers the crossover slightly.
The 4mm plugs on the Spatia links give a sense of physical scale. Also this morning I switched to using those jumpers between the Proprius amps and the SMGa speakers, made possible by the low terminals on the SMGa. I haven't tried the resistor/fuses yet.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2023 at 7:31am
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One of my first modifications to each speaker was to connect a Monacor capacitor from my spares box in place of the original crossover component. Their diameter is about twice the mdf panel thickness so they are attached to the outside of the terminal plate using a long cable tie through a spare screw hole. Good sound but not a good look so I have ordered a number of smaller value caps to fit inside the board thickness and get the right capacitance.
In due course I will need to cut a cavity or rather a large hole to house the new caps. I shall be measuring twice before any cutting! The caps are on back order so no hurry. More tme for listening to music.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2023 at 7:24am
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After some experimentation with location and toe-in angles I have got the speakers sounding very good with the HF strip on the inside edge. So I will use some tape and a marker pen to record this preferred alignment. That makes it easily reproduced so I can experiment.
The Magnepan construction has a perforated metal panel ('the grill') which holds the lines of magnets and the taut sheet of mylar ('the film') with the aluminium wires stuck to it. On the SMGa the grill faces the listener where some other models have the film side facing the listener. Some writers say the latter setup is preferable and I am tempted to try it. Visually it means I'll be looking at the back of the SMGa's with the terminals in view as well as the large caps. Should be interesting...
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 9:00pm
Are the grille holes circular? So a planar wave passing through rows of holes would diffract like the Young's slits experiment, depending on wavelength?
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2023 at 9:25pm
Yes they are and I think they slightly soften the high frequencies (compared to the film side) which is probably diffraction.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 9:40pm
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Unexpectedly I preferred the film side with the HF on the outside. Clearer and wider. Obviously I can't run a blind AB test myself so my comparisons are subjective but it's my gear and my ears.
Tomorrow, weather permitting, I shall experiment further with the four options.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 12 Aug 2023 at 11:12pm
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Yes, you'd expect the metal grille to obstruct the emitted waveforms to some extent or diffract certain frequencies.
Grille obstruction is another reason I avoided electrostatic speaker panels; there are stators on both sides of the membrane. Back when I was researching the AKG K1000 earspeakers, its manual outlined why a dynamic driver concept was selected over a planar magnetic or electrostatic design. It was something described as AOC or Acoustic Openness Coefficient, relating to dispersion or the ability of the sound to spread out in a natural way.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 10:39am
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That AOC is self-evident jargon, almost marketing speak. How did they measure it?
Metal grills and fabric covers will alter the sound, subtly if the designer has done it right. I think the visuals do matter so thin speaker cloth is fine by me.
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Posted By: Ash
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 6:52pm
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Well I assume the manual was written by the designer; it is available to read/download online as a PDF. It seems to be an arbitrary way to express sound transparency and reflective surfaces. I guess anything in engineering and mathematics can seem like pointless jargon when we don't understand the reason for its conception. It must have had some value as the final product had the performance to show for it.
Anyway, look forward to reading your progress.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 13 Aug 2023 at 8:39pm
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Yes I think you are right Ash that arbitrary language does technology no favours. A science-based explanation first then an analogy but don't start with adjectives. It's a small step from that to everyday language like rich, juicy, sweet, etc.
Today I was working on my kitchen units but I also tried various options with my SMGa speakers and am back to having the grills facing me with HF on the inside. It lets just enough of the musical goodness out (joke). They look better too! I am also thinking how to fit the smaller capacitors to the panel when they arrive. Either cut out some of the mdf for larger cavity or extend the panel downwards around the new caps which I would have in a line.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 20 Aug 2023 at 4:26pm
The SMGa's are doing a fine job. A friend asked if all the sound coming from those white panel speakers?
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 23 Aug 2023 at 8:21pm
Those smaller capacitors are on the way. Just in time for the bank holiday weekend. Lets hope the weather is good and the soldering can wait.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2023 at 9:48am
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I have been working out how to get the smaller caps inside the original cavity. The option for me is to fit them around a space to accommodate a pair of 4mm sockets that will be vertically aligned on a new rear panel. I am going to glue in a wood block in the top of the cavity so the new panel can be screwed down. But allow clearance so I could remove my capacitors and refit the old panel later if I wished
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 02 Sep 2023 at 9:57am
Following up on an idea some pages back I have bypassed the Magnepan fuse by moving the black wire feeding the HF- to the '-' socket where the blue wire is already. I think I hear a little more detail on percussion but there is no practical way to AB test the change. Later I might try returning one speaker to its former state, see how having the fuse in circuit affects the stereo image. Now I want to enjoy some music!
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 03 Sep 2023 at 6:45pm
My previous post suggested a replacement rear panel to house the speaker cable connectors. I ordered two black plastic panels fitted with black and red 4mm terminals that will fit nicely and save me fabricating them.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Sep 2023 at 8:12am
Test fit this morning of the new rear panels with 4mm posts. I drilled holes and worked out where the gap between the capacitors needs to be. On both speakers I have taken out the original 50uF capacitor and associated glue blob to make space. I can see I will need to reposition one speaker's inductor nearer the edge of the cavity. Not a quick job for this morning so I reassembled in time for listening to a couple of songs!
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 08 Sep 2023 at 8:11am
This morning I carefully prised that inductor out and cut back the blob of eighties glue. A thin layer of the mdf remained stuck to the underside of the coil bobbin so I just used a wood glue to reattach the coil close to the edge. That gives enough space for the capacitors and new terminals when I do the swap over.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Sep 2023 at 6:58pm
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I fitted the replacement capacitors today: 7 x 6u8 and 1 x 2u2 to get the original 50uF. Lots of soldering and a little cutting with a sharp chisel to expand the deepest part of the cavity. I also simplified the wiring so just two wires go the input terminals.
Initial listening was fine, slightly brighter than before due to the new caps. Good stereo image so the crossover parts are connected right and all in correct phase. Best of all I have modern hifi terminals without a large capacitor hanging off the back of each panel!
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 10 Sep 2023 at 9:43am
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Early start on the final steps on my SMGa's, at least for now. I removed the covers or 'socks' so I could iron out the creases. A good hoover to get any sawdust and accumulated dust/muck, followed by black marker pen on any shiny bits. Then I reassembled the speakers, trimming and stapled down the ends of the socks with clear tape on top. Badges back on and all done.
I took some photos of the work in progress including a schematic of the finished version. I'll downsize and upload them when I'm next on my PC.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 15 Nov 2023 at 8:25pm
Sorry that I have not posted the photos yet. I took some useful photos during the work but not of the final install of the parts. I need to reopen one of the speakers, removing tape and staples. To be continued...
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 26 Jan 2024 at 6:28pm
I have finally taken a photo of the crossover compartment with my additions and will upload it from my PC this weekend.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 11:52am
Here are the components that I fitted into the cavities. First the left channel where I took out the HF fuse so nothing is connected to the left tag 1.  I have crudely drawn on the thicker LF wires in red and the thinner HF wires in orange. It is a series crossover so the capacitors are all in parallel with the LF (between tags 2 and 3) and the inductor is in parallel with the HF (between tags 3 and 4).
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 28 Jan 2024 at 11:57am
For completeness here is the right channel with the LF and HF wires in the same places.  I inserted 1 ohm resistance (actually two of 0.5 ohms) in series with the HF as it was about 2dB louder than the left. You'll see that I just moved the inductor and input wires from tag 4 to tag 1 and fitted the resistors between those tags.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 30 Jan 2024 at 11:15am
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The HF resistor came about when I used REW to measure my SMGa's for the first time. I read somewhere that panel speakers were hard to measure so I hadn't tried until now. Perhaps it was true for simple SPL readings but they were fine with the programmes I tried. I could see the difference in a selection of mic positions. Tighter instrument positioning after so I am glad I did this.
Today I ran L/R sweeps with the microphone where my head would be then for half a dozen places nearby. I had REW generate an average response for the left readings and the right respectively, took each into the EQ module and generated filters for my house curve. I used REW"s parametric filters in Roon, manually input for each channel as a procedural equaliser. I am happy with the adjusted sound. Another time I'll try an impulse file as a convolution filter.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 3:17pm
Following a very good tutorial on YouTube I prepared a convolution filter using REW (Room Equalisation Wizard). I went through the steps twice then imported minimum phase versions for different sample rates into Roon. It's good to learn something new and hear the results.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 31 Jan 2024 at 4:55pm
A slightly fuller explanation is that I measured the effect of my hifi speakers and room on the sound where I sit then used the software to model this digitally I reversed the effect and exported it as an impulse response. The convolution process in Roon combines that with the music input to give a new signal that sounds much clearer and more even when played through my hifi in my room.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Jun 2024 at 6:16pm
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Thank you. Mine are flat panel speakers, essentially MDF pieces 48 inches by 18 inches with a large hole for the membrane. I share your appreciation of Ash's clever use of open cardboard boxes with full range speakers.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2025 at 9:14am
I am giving my Maggies a quick spin playing some LP's and am impressed by the sound. Plenty of detail and an airy sound. They've been standing in front of my record shelves so I was going to unscrew the legs and slide them into a gap between cabinets. Now I may keep them out a bit longer!
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2025 at 9:21am
Adding subwoofers has improved the sound even though they are slightly too loud as they are aligned to my LS50's.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 22 Feb 2025 at 9:27am
I have the HF strips on the outside of the panels as they are quite close together. I will need to move the LS50's and stands aside to put the SMGa's back on the dots I left last year. Then experiment from there. Right now I'm going out in the sunshine!
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