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Proprius system integration

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Topic: Proprius system integration
Posted By: janvda
Subject: Proprius system integration
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 2:11pm
Hello,

As I already stated in my intruduction post, I´m investigating into buying the Proprius power amps. Buying new equipement is a lengthy process for me, considering everything I need to factor in.
Concerning the Proprius, 2 questions spring to mind;

I do realise the advantage of being able to use a monoblock amplifier close to the speaker. But in my current living situation, this simply is a no go. Now, my speakers are fairly efficient at a quoted 91dB/W/m. Speaker cables used are Mogami W3103, each 3m in length. Would this adversely impact amplifier performance?

My DAC/preamp (M2tech Young mkIII) offers two output voltage settings: 5V and 10V. I guess by other manufacturers this is refererred to as gain setting. Which setting would be the most benificial with the Proprius?




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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 3:01pm
I will let others comment in more detail.

However, I think the idea with the Proprius amps is that they can be mounted directly to the speakers ("monitor" style) or they can be put on an equipment shelf or rack like a traditional amp. I have seen some members' set ups where they were side by side on a rack, with the speaker cables going out just like a traditional stereo amplifier.


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SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM610 MONO, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges.


Posted By: Mikeh
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 3:05pm
One of the benefits of the Proprius is it's small size, making it easy to install or hide close to speakers, thus allowing longer balanced cable connection from a preamp and short speaker leads. To my understanding the balanced cabling gives lower loss of signal, which is useful in pro situations requiring long cable lengths.  This is the ideal configuration but if not possible then I believe 3m speaker cables would still work satisfactorily.
I'm not able to comment on the output voltage selection from your pre/dac, 5vRMS or 10vRMS iutput just seems massive when the input sensitivity is 547mvRMS.  Others will  be able answer.


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Mike

Technics sl1210g with Victor U-2 or Technics EPC-205C mk4
Accession MM, Majestic + Proprius, Solo ULDE
Innuos Zen mini mk3 streamer
Harbeth P3ESR XD paired with 2x REL t5x


Posted By: janvda
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 3:35pm
Thanks for the replies regarding the speaker cables, that´s one less concern for me now!


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 4:46pm
Late response. I have used my Proprius amps with 4 and 5 metre speaker cables and they were very good 

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Bonzo
Date Posted: 25 Feb 2023 at 7:35pm
I'm using a loaner pair of the amps at the moment and my speaker cables are 4 metres. Had no problems or issues, in fact I've a pair on order😁😁


Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 9:22am
I have used both combinations, and I was unable to hear a difference in the sound related to the position of the amplifiers. The only advantage I found was that you could use much better speaker cable for the same budget if the amps were next to the speakers.

I used 3M runs of speaker cable.


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Kevin
European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France.
Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ


Posted By: janvda
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 10:05am
Originally posted by CageyH CageyH wrote:

The only advantage I found was that you could use much better speaker cable for the same budget if the amps were next to the speakers.

Thx for the reply. 
That could indeed be considered an advantage. But I´m one of "those" guys, who is hard to convince of the advantage of expensive or esotheric speaker cables. Mind you, I don´t have trained hearing, nor am I an electrical or electronics engineer. So I can only go by my own experience. I do understand the importance of inductance and capacitance in cables (or at least I think I do). Hence I tend to stick to Mogami or Van Damme cabling.


Posted By: Graham Slee
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 10:38am
Originally posted by janvda janvda wrote:

I'm one of "those" guys, who is hard to convince of the advantage of expensive or esoteric speaker cables

GOOD!

Originally posted by janvda janvda wrote:

I do understand the importance of inductance and capacitance in cables (or at least I think I do).

Using extremes:

If the cable was sufficiently capacitive, it would divide the amplifier output at some signal frequency (an audible frequency), which, by negative feedback, would cause the amplifier to boost its output, and eventually go pop! (or the protection circuit would operate - whichever came first).

If the cable was sufficiently inductive, it would attenuate the upper frequencies to the load, and "dull" the treble. It would also "remove" the amplifier load, and if the amplifier were not sufficiently stable, would eventually go pop! (or the protection circuit would operate - whichever came first).

Inductance and capacitance in cables are inversely related - one goes up the other comes down.

The BBC found that a heavy duty microphone cable gave the best balance between the two, and used miles of a particular brown in colour jacketed microphone cable, ignoring the shield.

The Spatia speaker cable is the equivalent of the "BBC microphone cable" without a shield, and of slightly greater cross sectional area (less lossy), and a little lower capacitance.


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Posted By: CageyH
Date Posted: 26 Feb 2023 at 10:47am
Originally posted by janvda janvda wrote:

Originally posted by CageyH CageyH wrote:

The only advantage I found was that you could use much better speaker cable for the same budget if the amps were next to the speakers.

Thx for the reply. 
That could indeed be considered an advantage. But I´m one of "those" guys, who is hard to convince of the advantage of expensive or esotheric speaker cables. Mind you, I don´t have trained hearing, nor am I an electrical or electronics engineer. So I can only go by my own experience. I do understand the importance of inductance and capacitance in cables (or at least I think I do). Hence I tend to stick to Mogami or Van Damme cabling.

I am another of those guys, preferring to find sensibly priced alternatives, often using the same base cable as a HiFi offering, without the associated price tag.


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Kevin
European loan coordinator, based near Toulouse, France.
Funkified SL1200 Mk.II, BB3, Firebottle Kin , ADI-2 DAC FS, Modulus 686, PD-S703, Solo UL, Triangle Antal EZ


Posted By: Help with bass
Date Posted: 05 Apr 2025 at 8:21pm
With apologies if I have missed it elsewhere in the forum, can I ask what is the quoted Gain figure (in dB) for the Proprius amps?
Thanks!
D


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2025 at 7:37am
535mV in for rated output 26W into 8 ohms so the voltage gain is 28.6 dB.

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: Help with bass
Date Posted: 06 Apr 2025 at 7:55pm
Excellent, thanks Fatmangolf👍



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