Change phono preamp or cartridge?
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Topic: Change phono preamp or cartridge?
Posted By: Vincenzo
Subject: Change phono preamp or cartridge?
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 6:11pm
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Ciao, posseggo un Reflex M Graham Slee e voglio ad Accession, pensa che le differenze sonore sono tali dare il prezzo? Ho una testina Ortofon Quintet Black, forse per apprezzare un cambio di qualità potrei passare a una Cadenza Black? Cosa ne pensate? ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 7:13pm
Sorry Vincenzo but could you put this post into English. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 02 Aug 2022 at 7:49pm
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Here's the post through Google Translate: Hello, I own a Reflex M Graham Slee and I want to Accession, do you think that the sound differences are such give the price? I have an Ortofon Quintet Black head, maybe to appreciate a change in quality I could switch to a Cadenza Black? What do you think? If I understand correctly, Vincenzo wants to know whether it would be best to get the Accession, or keep his current preamp and upgrade his cartridge to an Ortofon Cadenza Black. I can't really answer this question, but I know that the Accession MC model is highly praised by those who use MC carts. Myself - I only only use high output, MM or MI cartridges. Now, I have heard the Cadenza Black once in someone else's system. It sounded good and very detailed. The guy that had it since upgraded his cartridge to a very expensive Lyra model. I have never heard the Quintet carts so no personal opinion on them. Obviously the Cadenza range is higher in the Ortofon Hierarchy and more expensive. I think it would be best for OP to trial the Accession MC through the loaner program. That would give Vincenzo the answer. They can decide from there whether to keep things as is or upgrade the phono preamp. To me personally, cartridges are consumable items (they wear out, they come and go) and other equipment tends to stay in the system a lot longer. At 500-800 hours the expensive cartridge styli will be worn like any other cartridge. At that point you'll have to trade in, get a rebuild through the manufacturer, or send the cart to a third party retipping specialist. A good article here: https://thevinylpress.com/the-finish-line-for-your-phonograph-stylus/ - https://thevinylpress.com/the-finish-line-for-your-phonograph-stylus/
------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2022 at 8:12pm
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Ciao, ho fatto la mia scelta, non so se è giusta o sbagliata, ho comprato una DYNAVECTOR DV XX2 MKII, volevo cambiarla ha un suono Ortofon e volevo capire come suonano le altre testine. Quindi tengo il mio preamplificatore fono e vedo cosa succede. ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 04 Aug 2022 at 8:15pm
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Hello, I made my choice, I don't know if it is right or wrong, I bought a DYNAVECTOR DV XX2 MKII, I wanted to change it has an Ortofon sound and I wanted to understand how other cartridges sound. So I keep my phono preamp and see what happens. ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 05 Aug 2022 at 12:33am
Enjoy your new cartridge! ------------- SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges. |
Vincenzo wrote:Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 6:03pm
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Hello, in the data of the DYNAVECTOR DV XX2 MKII I cannot see how much the value of the lateral tracking force is. ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 6:38pm
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Sorry Vincenzo, I haven't owned one but I'd try 2 grammes and adjust from there. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 7:49pm
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Vincenzo It says on their website Tracking Force is between 1.8 - 2.2g Hope this helps. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 8:07pm
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Actually I am referring to antiskating ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 8:25pm
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Not knowing your turntable I would suggest looking at the manual, On my TT it has three settings each setting is to do with the tracking weight now if your turntable has a turning dial it should have tracking weights marked on it, you then set it to the tracking force you are using. Putting it simply The antiskating setting is the tracking weight. someone here should be able to put it into better words but I did my best. ------------- Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze. |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 08 Aug 2022 at 8:45pm
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Vincenzo, 2 gram downforce is 20mN, so for your TT the thread should be on either the 2nd (up to 19mN downforce) or 3rd (20mN or more) groove of the bias stub. It will need some listening tests to see which is best. The inner grooves are most sensitive to the bias setting. Good Luck and Happy listening, Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2022 at 6:51am
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Hello, basically, you are telling me to set the anti-skating strength to the same extent as the tracking one, therefore more or less also 2 gr.
------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Aug 2022 at 7:14am
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That's right. Based on Ian's observations I think you'd using the first or second notch on the anti-skate. ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |
Posted By: Vincenzo
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2022 at 2:56pm
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Fantastic, across the entire sound spectrum. The anti-skating left it in the first notch near the arm. Compared to the Quintet it seems less warm, brighter and the background noise of the record less evident. I like. ------------- Amp. Musical Fidelity M6si,Turntables VPI Scout Signature, Cartridges Ortofon Cadenza Bronze, Graham Slee Accession MC, Speakers Triangle Esprit Antal Ez, Cables VAN DEN HUL D-502 Hybrid,ATLAS Equator |
Posted By: BackinBlack
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2022 at 3:17pm
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Glad to hear you like your new cartridge. After some hours of use it should improve, might be worth some fine tuning of downforce and bias setting after 10 or 20 hours of use. Happy Listening Ian ------------- Just listen, if it sounds good to you, enjoy it. |
Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 11 Aug 2022 at 6:17pm
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Great stuff! ------------- Jon Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC. |