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Just in time for Christmas...

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Forum Name: High Fidelity Turntable User
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Topic: Just in time for Christmas...
Posted By: Guy
Subject: Just in time for Christmas...
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 6:32pm
With supply channels constricted and overwhelmed, prices are going up up up in 2022 and I have heard of increases between 10% and 30% for finished product and probably more for raw materials so...I am thinking now is the time to put a deposit down for a new Rega P8 and a pair of Tannoy Turnberry GR to lock in current pricing and before they become even less affordable. 

The 3 to 4 month wait for things to arrival actually works well for me as I can save my nickels and dimes in the meantime.

Here in Canada the new pricing hasn't been released as of yet from either company that I know of. Has anybody heard or seen what the 2022 prices are going to be? We're always behind the U.K. in a number of ways including getting information from our favorite makers.

Goodness we have an expensive hobby!


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Naim Supernait 3
Rega P8
Ortofon 2M Bronze
Naim CD5x
Flatcap 2
Rotel T11 tuner
AudioQuest Rocket 88s
Audioquest Chicago interconnect



Replies:
Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 16 Dec 2021 at 6:46pm
I don't have any information on pricing for what you wont. BUT I have heard the price of new vinyl records here in the UK is going up. I can see why people are streaming now a days or even downloading music.
You are right "VERY EXPENSIVE hobby"


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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 24 Apr 2022 at 3:15pm
Colin
How's your saving going or have you got you new Rega P8 and speakers. I'm saving up for a new turntable which hasn't been going well, I have had some unexpected bills to pay.


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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: Guy
Date Posted: 30 Apr 2022 at 9:14pm
So an update is in order I guess...
A P8 is now at least $500 more than it was at the end of '21 depending on who you talk to. I've heard of a $1 000 + increase locally but took it with a large grain of salt. A couple of store sites in different provinces that I regularly visit for price comparisons have it listed for $4 500 now. 

Mine arrived a couple of months ago but no one told me until I went in to put another deposit down a few weeks ago. Needless to say I promptly packed up my P2, traded it in and brought home the P8 a few days later.

It's been two weeks and I still haven't found a good way to describe the difference between the old tt and the new one so let's just say WOW. The bass is much more prominent and there is a cohesiveness to the music that was only hinted at before if that makes sense...

I was asked when I wanted the speakers when I was in the store last weekend as there is a waiting list but I'm likely fairly high up it by now. (an aside - it's pretty cool that they're made to order. In a way, they'll be made for me)
Truth be told I can't spring for them just yet so hopefully I can put them off to sometime in the fall. That might give me just enough time to get the necessary funds together...in the meantime the Eatons are doing a wonderful job at always with everything I throw at them. 


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Naim Supernait 3
Rega P8
Ortofon 2M Bronze
Naim CD5x
Flatcap 2
Rotel T11 tuner
AudioQuest Rocket 88s
Audioquest Chicago interconnect


Posted By: Andy75
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:04pm
Hi Guy, I’ve similarly and very recently upgraded from a P3 to a P8 and, as you say, it’s night and day difference. My speakers are far more modest than your current set up (Dynaudio Emit 30s), but the improvement in the bass is very noticeable - far tighter and far more realistic. Overall, everything sounds more spacious and yet precise. 

Out of interest, which cart did you go with? I ended up going with a Dynavector 10x5MkII - I felt it offered good value for money against my budget. 

Glad you are enjoying your upgrade - I’m delighted with my P8. 


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Andy


Posted By: Guy
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:28pm
Hey Andy:

It's been a little while and I've started appreciating how much more cohesive the overall soundstage is with the P8.

Everything is tighter, there is no separation between instruments / vocals like with the P2, the music hits you (or washes over you depending on what you listen to), the bass floor has lifted, the table disappears, I find myself sitting back and closing my eyes more often than not...

I kept my Ortofon 2M Bronze as it has lots of life left and wanted to save some cash. Funny how it's still a bit bright but a bit more noticeable nowadays. It may have something to do with the nature of the 2M series and the Supernait's built in MM phono stage...I may paly with some alternatives to see if I can warm it up a bit...maybe an Accession MM?


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Naim Supernait 3
Rega P8
Ortofon 2M Bronze
Naim CD5x
Flatcap 2
Rotel T11 tuner
AudioQuest Rocket 88s
Audioquest Chicago interconnect


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 6:38pm
I did read that Ortofon made the 2m cartages to sound more like the CD sound, but have not found out if this is true. I too find it on the bright side and did think of replacing it. I have had the need to replace the needle on mine (bronze) and stuck with what I know for the mean time. Overall I do like the sound of it.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: Guy
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:11pm
Overall I really enjoy the 2M Bronze...there just happen to be parts of a song that are a tad on the bright side and it takes me out of the song briefly when it happens.

I haven't compared the Bronze to many other carts. I had an Exact when I first got the P2 and swapping them made a huge difference but listening to other carts is usually in store with TTs, amps and speakers that I'm not familiar with so it isn't easy to differentiate...

I have been toying with upgrading to a 2M Black when the time comes but I think I'd like to to try a few phono stages out beforehand to see what difference they make.


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Naim Supernait 3
Rega P8
Ortofon 2M Bronze
Naim CD5x
Flatcap 2
Rotel T11 tuner
AudioQuest Rocket 88s
Audioquest Chicago interconnect


Posted By: Andy75
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 7:14pm
Originally posted by Guy Guy wrote:

Hey Andy:

It's been a little while and I've started appreciating how much more cohesive the overall soundstage is with the P8.

Everything is tighter, there is no separation between instruments / vocals like with the P2, the music hits you (or washes over you depending on what you listen to), the bass floor has lifted, the table disappears, I find myself sitting back and closing my eyes more often than not...

I kept my Ortofon 2M Bronze as it has lots of life left and wanted to save some cash. Funny how it's still a bit bright but a bit more noticeable nowadays. It may have something to do with the nature of the 2M series and the Supernait's built in MM phono stage...I may paly with some alternatives to see if I can warm it up a bit...maybe an Accession MM?

Originally, I was running the Dynavector through the integrated phonostage of my Rega Elex-R and found it to be a little bright, unpleasantly so on some albums. It has softened a little as it settled in, but still runs a little shrill on certain vocal tracks and with some horns (some of my audiophile Miles stuff is a tough listen in places). However, I am currently loaning a Accession MM and it is a proper game changer.* Those brash highs have been tamed, everything sounds more refined and balanced, with a far more expansive soundstage. I’m only a few days in and cannot imagine going back to the Elex-R, so much so, I’m expecting to place that order over the next couple of days. 

I’d encourage you to try the Accession MM - but just be aware that you may not want to go back :)

*And thank you to Graham for the loan scheme and to John for kindly coordinating and getting me set up. 


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Andy


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 15 May 2022 at 8:31pm
I have said this before it's hard to audition cartages as there are not a lot of HiFi shops that will allow you to do this, I can see why this is so as they would have wear them in for starters so you could hear the best out of them and that's time consuming. The other one is is down to money and that is there is not a lot of profit to be made on one that for example costs under £100, all shops have to make a profit.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 6:51pm
I have put my order in for a new turntable. It is not a Technics. After speaking to the guys at RS and hearing three different turntable in the shop, I went with my ears and not my heart. I went for the Debut Pro. So now I have a new toy (soon) and will be getting some new music for Christmas.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 9:43pm
Thank you Jon. I hope it comes soon and you enjoy lots of records played on it.

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Jon

Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.


Posted By: TheScorpionsTale
Date Posted: 07 Dec 2022 at 10:40pm
I hope you enjoy it, Jon, it's been well reviewed.


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Graham

SL1200 II with SME M2-9R and various carts / Revelation M with PSU-1 / Cyrus amp, CD and streamer / Kralk Audio BC30-3 Floorstanders / Bitzie and Lautus USB


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2022 at 5:09pm
It was a three way toss up between Technics sl-1200 M7, Pro & Roksan Attessa, All three were good. The Attessa ran close to the Pro and was slightly better but I didn't think it was worth the extra £295. The sl-1200 sounded very good too but for some reason with my speakers which I took along with me it sounded harsh in the high frequencies, which the assistant noted too. I will be up grading the Pro with the metal sub-platter when I get the funds and also using my 2M Bronze.

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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2022 at 7:13pm
Re-Harsh. The assistand did say to me if we had not listen to the others first he would of said there was something wrong with my speakers.
The assistant did check the alinement and found nothing wrong. We used the same cart with the T & P but not with the Attessa (didn't use the built in phono) I wanted to know what the higher price of it would get me in sound qaulity.
The aluminium sub-platter is a worthwhile upgrade according to most reveiwers but it don't come cheap at £110.


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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.


Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 08 Dec 2022 at 10:06pm
Originally posted by lfc jon lfc jon wrote:

The sl-1200 sounded very good too but for some reason with my speakers which I took along with me it sounded harsh in the high frequencies, which the assistant noted too.


That is odd. It could have been down to the cartridge used or cartridge set up. Even the capacitance of the phono cable could have had an effect. Did they use a felt mat or a rubber one? Mine came with a felt mat but I never used it, since the 1200 was originally designed with a rubber mat and really needs one for home audio use.

Anyway, enjoy your new turntable.


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SL-1200 MK7 (modified) + Reflex M + PSU-1 used with AT150-40ML, AT VM95ML, Stanton 680mkII + Ogura, and Shure M35X cartridges.


Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 09 Dec 2022 at 12:03pm
Originally posted by patientot patientot wrote:

Originally posted by lfc jon lfc jon wrote:

The sl-1200 sounded very good too but for some reason with my speakers which I took along with me it sounded harsh in the high frequencies, which the assistant noted too.


That is odd. It could have been down to the cartridge used or cartridge set up. Even the capacitance of the phono cable could have had an effect. Did they use a felt mat or a rubber one? Mine came with a felt mat but I never used it, since the 1200 was originally designed with a rubber mat and really needs one for home audio use.

Anyway, enjoy your new turntable.

To be honest I didn't take much notice of what platter mats were used on either turntables. The assistant did check the alinement on the Technics and found nothing wrong, he did say that he has not had this problem before so couldn't offer up any explanation. the high end was not really bad I could only just about hear it but it was there. As for the Attessa I didn't take into account that it does have a built in phone amp so the increase in the price over the Pro would have gone in some ways to that.


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Reflex M, Solo (both with PSU-1) CuSat50, Lautus, Spatia & Spatia links cables. Ortofon Bronze.



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