Analogue remaster = Analogue original
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Topic: Analogue remaster = Analogue original
Posted By: Teesside Tom
Subject: Analogue remaster = Analogue original
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 10:55am
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Good morning, If any member has bought the second release (on vinyl) of the Beatles album 1967 to 1970 which was rereleased a few years ago after being remastered from the original analogue tapes at Abbey Road I would like to hear their opinions of their listening experience(s) , thank you.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 4:09pm
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David I have had good & bad experiences with remasters, Pink Floyd's DSOTM being one of them (bad) IMO the CD was better, I did get an original on vinyl which was even better. If you don't get any feed back on the album I think you should be OK, Abbey Road have a vary good world wide reputation and it is done by the original analogue tapes. In the 80s music was being transferred to digital so as to be put on CD and this is where things start getting complicated and I have heard people saying that they would never get digital remasters if the music was originally done in analogue, Having said that this album maybe being done from original tapes but remastered in digital, as I said it gets complicated.
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 6:47pm
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I already own this album, bought about 4 months ago after a fair bit of thought partly because of some experience with remasters and the price - about £45. From the outset I thought it rather brusque / bright etc so to speak and so if I play it I do so after the system has been on for 2 hours or so which helps to take the edge off it, however it would be interesting to hear what other owners of it find when listening on their system. Having just played it again on Thursday I thought I would do a search to see who was the lead singer on the first track, Strawberry Fields, as Lennon could be a bit nasal and Macca a bit high pitched - not a good combo if the recording is not spot on. I found a number of posts and have attached one from Analogue Planet and part of another from Quora, both of these seem to come from people who really know their stuff. When you said it was complicated it was an understatement judging by these two posts. It seems to me if this is the best that Abbey Road can do something is very wrong and the public are being taken, pressings were done at Quinlan Road so I do not see an issue with the pressing side of it. Sorry the attachments are not too clear.
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 6:51pm
Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 6:59pm
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For some reason the two copies of the posts on Analogue Planet and Quora converted to pdf and placed on my posts are not being copied through with the text. Anyone interested in the two posts just do as I did and type into your search engine "lead singer on Strawberry Fields 1967 - 1970 album". It is really good reading and disappointing at the same time.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 9:55pm
It's John Lennon singing SFF but there's a nifty change in tape speed to bring the intro in line with the rest of the song. That may cause the confusion.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 09 Oct 2021 at 10:04pm
Also I agree with LFC Jon that remasters vary a lot and I agree with Tom that you'd expect the premium cuts to be great, not so so. I think it's important to know what you're getting. I'd be disappointed if the remastered LP claimed to be AAA or something special when it is really the CD master cut into a record. The latter can still sound good but not if you've been duped, allegedly.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 2:14am
Teesside Tom wrote:
Good morning, If any member has bought the second release (on vinyl) of the Beatles album 1967 to 1970 which was rereleased a few years ago after being remastered from the original analogue tapes at Abbey Road I would like to hear their opinions of their listening experience(s) , thank you. |
Hi David
If you've got the 2014 "AAA" remaster as cut by Sean Magee ( https://www.discogs.com/release/6378753-The-Beatles-1967-1970 - https://www.discogs.com/release/6378753-The-Beatles-1967-1970 ), interweb consensus is that it should sound good (see also Michael Fremer on this - https://www.analogplanet.com/content/beatles-red-and-blue-album-reissues-aaa-all-way - https://www.analogplanet.com/content/beatles-red-and-blue-album-reissues-aaa-all-way - though he's referring to the US issues pressed at QRP).
The caveat with all of this is that cutting at Abbey Road is digitally controlled - so not strictly AAA according to the purist mob, e.g. this commentator on Fremer's piece:
While the original analog tapes might be used, and an analog chain in processing, the signal cut into the lacquer [and hence, pressed into vinyl] may actually be digital. The reason is that most plants use a digital preview [or computer] to control groove spacing. That means that the actual signal is in the digital domain. No longer analog. As I understand it, purely analog cutter head signal previews are extremely, extremely rare, and even then engineers hate working with them due to the guessing and manual work involved. A digital signal, controlled by an app, solves the whole issue. Furthermore, I gather than probably all of today's wonderfully produced and pressed re-issues are actually digitally previewed, making them actually digital LP's, or pseudo-CD's.
A further complicating factor is the existence of the 2018 iteration pressed by GZ ( https://www.discogs.com/release/15247726-The-Beatles-1967-1970 - https://www.discogs.com/release/15247726-The-Beatles-1967-1970 ), which claims the same "AAA" status as the 2014 issue via its hype sticker:
However, this one seems to be universally reviled by purchasers, many of whom describe it as "digitally cut". How to tell them apart? Apparently as follows:
You can identify the pressing by looking at 1. The logo next to the barcode on the back, 2. Reading the text on the right of the apple on the back. If it has a Universal logo, it is the 2014 Analog cut. If it has a Capitol/UMG logo, it's the awful 2018 version.
For comparison, 'Near Mint' copies of the original 1973 UK issue (definitely AAA!) are currently going on Discogs for between £28 and a top-end £55 - of course, they're not as rare/collectible as the 60s LPs in that condition, and there must be hundreds of thousands of copies out there...
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 12:45pm
To me it looks like, If you are into 60s & 70s music then you are better off buy a second hand copy that way you know your getting pure analogue. That said I have had very good remasters, both on vinyl and CD. Again. To me there are good and bad when it comes to remasters and you have to take a chance or find a good review(s) THEY are out there.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 2:24pm
One company that I have good experience with is Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab their recordings have been vary good, A bit on the expensive side but you do have to pay that bit more for quality. The down side is they do limit the amount they release. In their word "reissues"
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 4:23pm
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Thank you for the replies, I have several Beatles albums including both the red and blue from way back on cd and possibly listening to these has coloured my expectations of the vinyl version however there has obviously been a lot of stitching together of different takes and speed alterations etc, very disappointing really from such musically talented people. The good news is as pointed out by fluddite the cover carries the Universal logo.
Can anyone tell me why the two screen shots which I loaded onto my posts did not transmit with my text. I first tried by adding them below the text (like an email attach.) when that did not work I converted them to pdf which also failed and then tried a 3rd time sending them without text, another fail. I have copied and pasted before (not screen shot) no problem, is the screen shot the issue ? Thank you.
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Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 5:00pm
Teesside Tom wrote:
Can anyone tell me why the two screen shots which I loaded onto my posts did not transmit with my text. I first tried by adding them below the text (like an email attach.) when that did not work I converted them to pdf which also failed and then tried a 3rd time sending them without text, another fail. I have copied and pasted before (not screen shot) no problem, is the screen shot the issue ? Thank you.
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Have you posted the images up on a 3rd party hosting site, such as postimages.org?
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 8:10pm
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Hi Chris, the answer is no really, having done the internet search I could see near to the top of the page the two hits from Quora and Analogue Planet had the info I was looking for. As I could not select the part of the text I wanted in the normal way I did a screen shot and then Edit > Copy and then Edit > Paste - both were showing under the text I had typed when I clicked on Post Reply. Thanks.
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Posted By: Chris Firth
Date Posted: 10 Oct 2021 at 11:52pm
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With a screenshot you need to open paint (assuming that you're using Windows) and paste the image. You can then save the image to upload to a 3rd party host.
This image is from a screenshot. It is uploaded to the image host I mentioned.
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 2:08pm
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Hi Chris, I'm using a macbook pro so I'm sure there will be a different option - maybe clipboard or some such, there is an Apple shop where I live I'll call in, thanks.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 8:52pm
fluddite wrote:
[The caveat with all of this is that cutting at Abbey Road is digitally controlled - so not strictly AAA according to the purist mob, e.g. this commentator on Fremer's piece: |
I can't comment on this specific record as I don't have it and have little interest in it. However, one needs to be VERY careful how much stock you put into comments from Dirty 'Ol Uncle Mikey and his acolytes. They've been wrong before and have a tendency to shoot from the hip and not always correct things when they are wrong.
The fact is that Abbey Road has several cutting lathes and several different engineers, and they all have their own way of working.
Miles Showell, for example, makes 100% digital cuts from tape transferred to digital first, then mastered, then cut via 1/2 speed. He will tell you that himself and has mentioned this many times in interviews.
Sean Magee can cut from digital or PURE analog, depending on the project. The Beatles Mono reissues he cut are 100% AAA. A shame these are mostly OOP now. I grabbed a few while I could, years before the prices got completely out of hand.
To be clear, it is also incorrect to assume every new reissue is cut using a digital preview head or from a digital file. I'm not calling you out here but I have seen many other people on other sites do this. Many reissues being released are digitally sourced but not all of them are. It's very much a case by case basis. You really have to research each title and find out how it was cut. Usually an email to the label, or better yet, the mastering house, will clear things up.
Here in the U.S., the big dogs for AAA cut records are Kevin Gray (Cohearant), Bernie Grundman Mastering (BG and Chris Bellman) and Ryan K. Smith (Sterling). Most of the work out of these mastering houses will be AAA where possible.
There are others but most of the high profile AAA releases will come from them. MOFI has their own cutting system and will always cut AAA from tape unless the album was digitally recorded.
Now there are other places that can cut from tape elsewhere in the U.S. and in Europe. I can't name them all of course. Alchemy is a big one in the UK and there is also Gearbox which does smaller scale independent releases.
One more thing: just because you see a computer in a video where someone is cutting a record, doesn't mean the signal going onto the lacquer is digital either. Kevin Gray, for example, has a custom made cutting system where he can send a 100% analog signal to the lathe but uses a computer system to calculate groove space beforehand and has an analog preview head. He can also record his work via digital output to make a digital master simultaneously while the record is being cut if requested by the customer.
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Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 10:45pm
patientot wrote:
fluddite wrote:
[The caveat with all of this is that cutting at Abbey Road is digitally controlled - so not strictly AAA according to the purist mob, e.g. this commentator on Fremer's piece: |
I can't comment on this specific record as I don't have it and have little interest in it. However, one needs to be VERY careful how much stock you put into comments from Dirty 'Ol Uncle Mikey and his acolytes. They've been wrong before and have a tendency to shoot from the hip and not always correct things when they are wrong.
The fact is that Abbey Road has several cutting lathes and several different engineers, and they all have their own way of working.
Miles Showell, for example, makes 100% digital cuts from tape transferred to digital first, then mastered, then cut via 1/2 speed. He will tell you that himself and has mentioned this many times in interviews.
Sean Magee can cut from digital or PURE analog, depending on the project. The Beatles Mono reissues he cut are 100% AAA. A shame these are mostly OOP now. I grabbed a few while I could, years before the prices got completely out of hand.
To be clear, it is also incorrect to assume every new reissue is cut using a digital preview head or from a digital file. I'm not calling you out here but I have seen many other people on other sites do this. Many reissues being released are digitally sourced but not all of them are. It's very much a case by case basis. You really have to research each title and find out how it was cut. Usually an email to the label, or better yet, the mastering house, will clear things up.
Here in the U.S., the big dogs for AAA cut records are Kevin Gray (Cohearant), Bernie Grundman Mastering (BG and Chris Bellman) and Ryan K. Smith (Sterling). Most of the work out of these mastering houses will be AAA where possible.
There are others but most of the high profile AAA releases will come from them. MOFI has their own cutting system and will always cut AAA from tape unless the album was digitally recorded.
Now there are other places that can cut from tape elsewhere in the U.S. and in Europe. I can't name them all of course. Alchemy is a big one in the UK and there is also Gearbox which does smaller scale independent releases.
One more thing: just because you see a computer in a video where someone is cutting a record, doesn't mean the signal going onto the lacquer is digital either. Kevin Gray, for example, has a custom made cutting system where he can send a 100% analog signal to the lathe but uses a computer system to calculate groove space beforehand and has an analog preview head. He can also record his work via digital output to make a digital master simultaneously while the record is being cut if requested by the customer.
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Mea maxima culpa! My intention (evidently unclear from my wording - "so not strictly AAA according to the purist mob, e.g. this commentator") was partly to poke fun at the Fremerite faithful who would hold that digital control/calibration of a cutting head (note - not of the "AA" signal itself) somehow makes the resulting master a "pseudo-CD". To be fair to Uncle Mikey, I don't think he's that daft.
My evident mistake was to assume from my experience with Miles Showell's half-speed remasters of (in particular) Brian Eno's early LPs that all the Abbey Road cutting was (in my ill-chosen phrase) "digitally controlled". As the happy owner of several of the 2014 Mono Beatles remasters (cut AAA by Sean Magee - at Abbey Road...), I really should have thought this through before posting and checked whether Abbey Road have more than one mastering facility. Which, of course, they do. Oops. 
Having had exceptionally positive experiences with AAA cuts/remasters from Cohearant, BG, Gearbox and (unsurprisingly) MFSL - and solid ones with Sterling (Alchemy I've found less impressive) - I'd fully endorse your list of "big dogs". Kevin Grey in particular is a man after my own heart. At the same time, it's often the case with high-circulation LPs (The Beatles 1967-1970 being a case in point) that original (and by definition AAA if pre-1980ish) copies can be had near-mint for the same or less than new remasters. Of course, that tends not to be true of the desirable Blue Note goodies that Mr Grey remasters so well...
Envoi: as you rightly say,"you really have to research each title and find out how it was cut". And, as someone who's spent far too much money on reissues from e.g. 4 Men With Beards, Doxy, WaxTime etc. etc. - caveat emptor...
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Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 11:01pm
Teesside Tom wrote:
Hi Chris, I'm using a macbook pro so I'm sure there will be a different option - maybe clipboard or some such, there is an Apple shop where I live I'll call in, thanks. |
As a fellow Mac user - I tend to do grabs with Screenshot (should be pre-installed in your Utilities folder, from where it can be plonked onto your dock) and save them to the desktop as jpegs (default for Screenshot) - then check the file size. Bear in mind that 150 KB is the maximum file size for posting to GS Forum mailings - I tend to stick to 100 KB or less, and reduce larger file sizes using Preview.
After that, it's 3 quick stages - click 'Choose File' (from desktop or wherever), click 'Upload' (image should appear in that preview box full of Latin after a second or so), click 'OK'.
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Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 11:20pm
fluddite wrote:
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As my list of files in that last screenshot included the mighty Tap's Break Like The Wind, I feel duty-bound to inflict its picture-disc wonderfulness on the GS Forum once more...
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Posted By: fluddite
Date Posted: 11 Oct 2021 at 11:30pm
Also, if I come to praise Kevin Gray ( https://www.discogs.com/artist/312098-Kevin-Gray - https://www.discogs.com/artist/312098-Kevin-Gray ) as "a man after my own heart", I could at least do him the honour of spelling his name correctly. Mea maxima culpa. Again. Doh.
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Posted By: MS61
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 10:14am
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GZ Media pressing plant and mastering facility in Loděnice, Czech Republic operates 3 DMM and 1 lacquer mastering systems. Full analog chain is possible but rare used... GZ Media concentrates on mass market not audiophil community definitely.
It´s possible to use software control for computer simulation and use full analog signal chain. http://www.gzvinyl.com/Manufacturing/Mastering/New-mastering-system.aspx - http://www.gzvinyl.com/Manufacturing/Mastering/New-mastering-system.aspx
BTW my short visit in GZ plant was very interesting! Mr. Ladislav Kus (my guide) worked in Loděnice from 1959!
Michal
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 2:46pm
Thanks to fluddite for the tip on converting the screen shot to jpg and the maximum file size posting. As regards sound reproduction quality, I'm not as learned as some contributors but I can say I was immediately impressed with what I heard the first time I played the album My East is Your West from Gearbox records, and the system was stone cold.
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Posted By: Teesside Tom
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 3:44pm
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If all sellers of vinyl recordings gave the recording information available on Gearbox Records for individual albums we would all be much better informed, but maybe we should be careful what we wish for.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 5:55pm
MS61 wrote:
GZ Media pressing plant and mastering facility in Loděnice, Czech Republic operates 3 DMM and 1 lacquer mastering systems. Full analog chain is possible but rare used... GZ Media concentrates on mass market not audiophil community definitely.
It´s possible to use software control for computer simulation and use full analog signal chain. http://www.gzvinyl.com/Manufacturing/Mastering/New-mastering-system.aspx - http://www.gzvinyl.com/Manufacturing/Mastering/New-mastering-system.aspx
BTW my short visit in GZ plant was very interesting! Mr. Ladislav Kus (my guide) worked in Loděnice from 1959!
Michal
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GZ is a massive plant, one of the largest in the world. And it's definitely true that they focus on the mass market and some of those releases are very hit or miss.
When they want to do great work, they can though. A friend of mine had a record cut by them via DMM and then pressed at their associated plant, Precision Record Pressing (Canada). It turned out great. NOT AAA because the album was digitally recorded to begin with.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 12 Oct 2021 at 6:13pm
fluddite wrote:
Having had exceptionally positive experiences with AAA cuts/remasters from Cohearant, BG, Gearbox and (unsurprisingly) MFSL - and solid ones with Sterling (Alchemy I've found less impressive) - I'd fully endorse your list of "big dogs". Kevin Grey in particular is a man after my own heart. At the same time, it's often the case with high-circulation LPs (The Beatles 1967-1970 being a case in point) that original (and by definition AAA if pre-1980ish) copies can be had near-mint for the same or less than new remasters. Of course, that tends not to be true of the desirable Blue Note goodies that Mr Grey remasters so well...
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A few years ago those Beatles blue and red comps could be had for $10 or less in the U.S. I think prices may have climbed a bit since then, but there are still many common albums that can be had cheaply if you know where to look. I have seen prices on popular classic rock steadily climbing. Many of the records simply aren't worth paying those asking prices based on condition and sound though, IMHO.
Blue Note stuff has really gone through the roof. Even less desirable 70s reissues, 80s DMM cuts, etc. I see at ridiculous jacked-up prices. Besides pricing, it's worth noting that guys like Gray and Smith have very different mastering styles than RVG or his contemporaries had back in the day. Those old records had to be cut to sound good on record changers, console stereos, etc. They weren't made for the kinds of gear we see people running today. RVG would add compression and roll off highs for those old changers.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 2:53pm
I see Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MoFi) have got them selfs into a bit of trouble over their claim about their vinyl records being all analogue it seems that part of the process is done in digital. You can read more on this on "The Washington Post" website.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 3:38pm
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Indeed. When AAA isn't AAA!
As others have written there is outrage from some customers about the hidden step, sort of AADA, but little heard from those who said all analogue was what they discerned in MoFi.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 4:23pm
Fatmangolf wrote:
Indeed. When AAA isn't AAA!
As others have written there is outrage from some customers about the hidden step, sort of AADA, but little heard from those who said all analogue was what they discerned in MoFi. |
Most records I've had off MoFi have been vary good but I did have one which to me for what I paid for it was no better than the original and the quality of the record itself was poor and I thought to myself at the time, they need to get their quality control sorted out, the seller agreed with me and I got a refund.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 7:46pm
I have read that the sound quality is Mofi's strong selling point. Hence the high prices of the records.
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 7:52pm
Fatmangolf wrote:
I have read that the sound quality is Mofi's strong selling point. Hence the high prices of the records. |
The good ones I have are very good but when you are spending sometimes as much as £10 more than another copy so it should be.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 14 Aug 2022 at 8:05pm
The price reflects the product. They are seen as the best records and I can see they would use the best signal processing and record production for this.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 2:02am
lfc jon wrote:
I see Mobile Fidelity Sound Lab (MoFi) have got them selfs into a bit of trouble over their claim about their vinyl records being all analogue it seems that part of the process is done in digital. You can read more on this on "The Washington Post" website. |
I didn't want to comment too much on this because there are huge threads on other forums and I've already commented there.
The issue is lying to customers, full stop. Not anything else.
Not only did they lie in their marketing materials but they lied over private emails to customers. I was a customer that received one of those emails.
Luckily I didn't spend anywhere near as much on MOFI product as some folks I know. There are people that spent thousands of dollars on their stuff over the last 5-10 years.
In any case, MOFI won't get a cent from me going forward, and that includes the parent company Music Direct.
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 2:03am
Fatmangolf wrote:
The price reflects the product. They are seen as the best records and I can see they would use the best signal processing and record production for this. |
There are companies that put out records that are just as good or better and charge less.
Especially in the last few years, MOFI focused on their One Step series which is MSRP at $125 a pop. You get one album and a worthless box of dead air. They don't even include the original jacket art inside and then they lie about the source used to make the record.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 7:42am
I used the term "seen as the best" because it is the only way to explain such high prices.
------------- Jon
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Posted By: patientot
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 6:25pm
Fatmangolf wrote:
I used the term "seen as the best" because it is the only way to explain such high prices. |
Right. Certainly the marketing hype wanted everyone to believe that! :)
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Posted By: lfc jon
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 6:48pm
patientot wrote:
Fatmangolf wrote:
The price reflects the product. They are seen as the best records and I can see they would use the best signal processing and record production for this. |
There are companies that put out records that are just as good or better and charge less.
Especially in the last few years, MOFI focused on their One Step series which is MSRP at $125 a pop. You get one album and a worthless box of dead air. They don't even include the original jacket art inside and then they lie about the source used to make the record.
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I have few of Abbey Road Studios half speed cutting records and to me they have been better quality, especially the vinyl record itself and better value.
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Posted By: Fatmangolf
Date Posted: 15 Aug 2022 at 8:18pm
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I agree with you both about judging records on how the music sounds. The benefit of half-speed remastering was well promoted and l believe it would raise SQ assuming the playback gear is ready. I never believed Mofi had all those master tapes which 'one step' required but they implied that they did... In the cd world I remember the fuss over 24 bit remasters but many had limited dynamic range.
------------- Jon
Open mind and ears whilst owning GSP Genera, Accession M, Accession MC, Elevator EXP, Solo ULDE, Proprius amps, Cusat50 cables, Lautus digital cable, Spatia cables and links, and a Majestic DAC.
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